Sindher is so sensitive about the WWII topic. One could think you're German, laddie.

Back to the topic at hand

AIRCRAFT CARRIER: Right now, Nimitz class, but the Ford Class specifications are making me
drool

FRIGATE: Oliver Hazard Perry class

DESTROYER: Arleigh Burke class by far... considering we have made dozens of them and have
also sold them to several other navies

SUBMARINE: Right now I'd argue Virginia class simply because of its technology and crew
training. The Russian submarines COULD give us a run for our money if they had money to
maintain them and train their crews.

CHOPPER CARRIER: Wasp Class

AMPHIBIOUS WARFARE: ^see above

MINE COUNTERMEASURE: irrelevant

FAST PATROL BOATS: irrelevant

ICE PATROL: USCGC Mackinaw

FIXED WING: F/A-18 E/F by far. It has the ability to engage multiple smaller naval
aircraft that other nations use.

CHOPPER: UH-64 Seahawk because of it's versatility and shear capacity for carrying cargo.

SEA SOLDIERS ;): If we can include special forces, then Navy SEALs... if not...United
States Marines

--- Ignorance is bliss. Perhaps you never heard of Singapore and Hong Kong? Just to
name a few.

I believe he was referring to places such as Nigeria, Lybia, India, Sierra Leone,
Congo,
Sudan, Haiti, Cuba, Guatamala, Nicaragua, Brazil, ect. Places like Hong Kong and
Singapore are only important today because they served as major trade posts and
naval bases to the Royal Navy. Places like New Delhi, Freetown, Mumbai, ect. are all
total shitholes, filled with rape, murder, looting, and the like.

"China especially will destroy the US soon and are well on the way to becoming the
biggest superpower"

China will never lay a finger on the US. Why? two reasons;
1. All we have to do is default on our currency and their economy is indefinatly in the
shitter. the US is 2/3 of China's export and own 100 billion dollars of our debt,
therefore they won't touch us. If they did, the war would be over in days, and not
from fighting.
2.They may have the 2nd largest army in the world, we have the 1st largest nuclear
arsenal. :)

"Canadians escorted 90% of all convoys in the Atlantic in WW2, why you ask? Cause
the US
was to lazy to get there thumb out of there arse to do anything.

Why didn't the UK? They were busy on the other side of the Atlantic hunting
battleships
and guarding the convoy's once they entered british waters."

Canada?! with a Navy?! LOL. The Royal Navy was responsible for the convoy escort
during lend-lease and the 1st/2nd Happy Times. The Canadians were only good for
being cannon fodder in a diversionary raid and for being tank food around Caen. The
US Navy quickly took over convoy escort after US involvement, using older WW1 era
destroyers and everything from Fletcher class's to Private yachts for sub hunting. The
U-Boat Arm sank more ships in British coastal waters than they did in the North
Atlantic during 1940, making the whole "Britain was in Europe" thing irrelevant.

>WW1, you dare say about it? The US had one of the WORST EQUIPPED AND
>TRAINED ARMIES IN THE WORLD. The Canadians and Australians were involved in
>covering the brits, and french as they regrouped. They were holding the germans
>just outside of artillery range, and had been for a while.

True, the US Army was lacking when we entered WW1. The Canadians and
Australians were part of the BEF, which was busy getting the crap kicked out of it by
the Germans when we showed up. In fact, your whole point about "outside Artillery
range" is complete crap. The Germans favored Howitzers and always kept them
close-ish to the front line. The Allies lost way more soldiers than the Germans (the
German red cross reports 639,000 dead, 641,000 missing to roughly four million
allied soldiers dead) and repeatedly got mauled.
The BEF got mauled so bad, it needed to be reformed 3 times.
Need an anecdote?

In the Battle of 3rd Ypres, Marshall Haig detonated the famous Messines ridge on
June 7th, 1917, supposedly killing 10,000+ German soldiers in the blast. The
ANZAC/Irish/British force then hauled ass over no-mans land into a waiting ambush,
only losing 50,000 soldiers in the process and reported 60,000+ German casualties.
The German Red Cross reported only losing 10,000 troops in the ENTIRE MONTH OF
JUNE. They then went on to use mustard gas against the British, killing 1 in 6 men in
the British 5th Army. The AEF then showed up in 1918 and launch a daring
counterattack at Bois de Belleau (without the infamously inept artillery barrages),
saving Paris and therefore the whole Western Front. Besides Vimy, and being
machinegun food, what exactly did the British gain?

>Now if you think i'm being biased about history your dead wrong, i've studied Axis
>and Allied sides to the wars in the end the only reason the Germans pushed the
>allies back in world war 1 was cause the russians fell due to there government
>falling apart.

Well evidently you didn't study anything other than British war propaganda because
the Russians fell apart after their army revolted in 1917 and Lenin launched his
famous revolution. The only reason the Germans pushed the Allies back was because
their[the allies] tactics were pure crap which were being used against an army which
emphesized heavy fortification. For example, the Germans, for the most part, never
lost the ground they gained in 1914, especially in northern France and Belgium. All
the B.S'ing in the world couldn't save your argument.

>World war two, the nazi's were running out of planes due to the RAF hence why
>they invested so much in rocket tech.

Funny, because the USAAF recorded a higher number of confirmed kills than the RAF,
and if you notice, the rocket technologies were to be used AGAINST DAYLIGHT
BOMBERS, who were USAAF, not RAF.

Secondly, if it wasn't for the 8th Airforce's emphasis on hitting Nazi factories, the
British would've kept on fire-bombing civilian centers. For example, name one factory
complex that was bombed by the RAF before US Arrival.

>Subs: Russians, if they fixed them up they would have the vastest sub fleet in the
>world.

Evidently you know nothing about subs either. The majority of the former USSR's sub
fleet is a bunch of rusting cold war era vessels. Modern Navies, such as the Royal
Navy, US Navy, or even the Chinese Navy, have newer, more effective submarines.

>Carriers/chopper carriers: United States, this could be rivaled by china in the future
>though.

China won't focus it's navy on Fleet Carriers, because that involves having better
trained pilots than the US (then again, there is that Falklands mess that proves
otherwise......). They Favor having a larger sub fleet to counter the US carrier strike
force. Imagine the cold war round two, but instead the two sides are really close
economic pals.

>the US and their global police mentalitly pissed off the rest of the world now

Global Police? Maybe you totally missed the Holocaust section of World War 2. We
can't all be as naive as Europe and just pass it off as being "None of my business".
The US is the most powerful nation in the world, and is the symbol of freedom. God
forbid we uphold that symbol by helping nations in need.

>at least the UK's Golden Age involved the largest Empire in human history

Yes, and the US's Golden Age involves being the most powerful nation in Human
History.

Secondly, I cant help but laugh after just countering your "Global Police" remark.

""The US? nah, all they'll be remembered for after the Chinese revolution will be for
trying to look for a man for 10 years,
-causing not one, but TWO severe depressions
-wrecking Vietnam, messing Iraq up
-claiming bragging rights for two world wars after arriving late and taking all the
plaudits
-and that wonderful masterpiece that is Team America""

Really? How is the US responsible for Pakistan hiding Bin Laden?
-Two severe depressions? welcome to the Free Market. It fluctuates.
-Vietnam was wrecked because we were so bent on looking like a goody-two shoes
in front of the USSR and Europe.
-LMAO Iraq? A Mess? Maybe you haven't noticed, along with the holocaust, but Iraq
is set to take control of their country within the next year without an oppressive
dictator running a cruel regime. THANKS AMERICA :)
-WW1 was going in the German's favor when the US showed up and we won every
British campaign in WW2 for you. This includes Sicily, North Africa, France (round two,
since they didnt have their yankee buddies to help them the first time), Italy,
Burma(see USAAF), and last, but not least, the Battle of Britain.

Lets try the REAL version.
The US will be remembered for
-hunting down the world's most wanted terrorist
-defeating the most evil empire in the history of the world, three times (Japan,
Germany, USSR)
-saving Europe, three times in a row
-ensuring European peace, even though they don't deserve it
-intervening in multiple places to stop atrocities
-having the Largest, most Powerful Military in the world
-completely dominating the World Economy

"Those ex-colony countries today are wastelands"

--- Ignorance is bliss. Perhaps you never heard of Singapore and Hong Kong? Just to
name a few.

Yes, in the beginning of the war the Canadians and British did do the majority of the
escorting, however they used mostly American lend-lease destroyers and cruisers. Toward
the end of the war, America did the majority of the escorting because they were our supply
ships. Eventually , we totally eliminated the need for escorting by flooding the ocean
with destroyers and expendable cargo ships.

Yes Canada was important in world war 2. You did handle one of the beaches on D-Day.
However it was America that stormed 4/6 of them. It was America that liberated North
Africa. It was America that liberated Italy. It was America that kicked the crap out of
Japan when they were days away from invading British Australia.

The RAF only was able to defeat the Luftwaffe because Goering made the mistake of going
after cities and halting attacks on RAF bases and factories. Kudos to the British for
taking advantage of that, however if Germany hadn't of made that mistake, the RAF would
have been obliterated. Use the "latecomer" argument all you want, however it is
irrelevant because even before America entered the war (both times) we supplied a major
part of allied equipment and supplies.

As for the "world police" argument... yeah.. I am an extreme American nationalist and
imperialist in case you couldn't tell. We have the power to police the world, so why
shouldn't we. The British did it, the French did it, the Spanish did it, what makes us
different. If any other country has the power to police the world, I would love to see
them do it, but if you have no interest in that, then keep your mouth shut. The age of
isolation is over. That ended with World War two. In an age where one can go around the
world in less than 24 hours, terrorism is a real threat. We have weapons that can
indiscriminately kill millions. I'm surprised someone hasn't made the "If America didn't
try to police the world, there wouldn't be a terrorism problem." FALSE...
It existed LONG before we started policing the world and the root of the problem does not
lie on us. It all goes back go European colonization and greed. The British, French,
Dutch, Belgians, Spanish and Portuguese greedily seized Africa, Asia and South America.
They abused and mistreated natives. Those ex-colony countries today are wastelands. They
allow some warlord or rich kid to raise an army and start killing innocent people.

Overall, yes I know America is not the greatest thing to grace mankind with its presence.
However, as an American I am tired of the false and ignorant comments against us. Don't
go on bashing us without first looking at your own history.

"You just aren't cool unless you have the word Royal in your title :P "


Difference between US and UK, United KINGDOMS (King, Royalty) ans United STATES
(No King, no Royalty) :P

i agree with sindher again!!!!!!

and...hell yeah it is emma! lol

China especially will destroy the US soon and are well on the way to becoming the
biggest superpower

the US and their global police mentalitly pissed off the rest of the world now

at least the UK's Golden Age involved the largest Empire in human history

the Frogs had a pretty decent Empire, as did Spain, Portugal, Holland etc etc etc

the US? nah, all they'll be remembered for after the Chinese revolution will be for
trying to look for a man for 10 years,
-causing not one, but TWO severe depressions
-wrecking Vietnam, messing Iraq up
-claiming bragging rights for two world wars after arriving late and taking all the
plaudits
-and that wonderful masterpiece that is Team America

-oh yeah, and Angelina Jolie

It's quite amusing how this thread has descended into a pissing contest for national
pride.

@Sindher

"As for you "winning" the Revolutionary War, it couldn't have been done without
Spanish, French, or Dutch involvement."

Just like it couldn't have been lost without German involvement?

Ok, before anyone runs your mouths get your facts straight.


Lion you def need to check your history better your facts are so far fetched and biased it
isn't even funny.

Canadians escorted 90% of all convoys in the Atlantic in WW2, why you ask? Cause the US
was to lazy to get there thumb out of there arse to do anything.

Why didn't the UK? They were busy on the other side of the Atlantic hunting battleships
and guarding the convoy's once they entered british waters.

You say the US came to the rescue of the allies? Actually no, hilter and japan made a
major mistake in pissing off the US in WW2 had they not the US wouldn't have entered,
hitler would have still attacked russia due to paranoia and power hunger.

WW1, you dare say about it? The US had one of the WORST EQUIPPED AND TRAINED ARMIES IN THE
WORLD. The Canadians and Australians were involved in covering the brits, and french as
they regrouped. They were holding the germans just outside of artillery range, and had
been for a while.

Now if you think i'm being biased about history your dead wrong, i've studied Axis and
Allied sides to the wars in the end the only reason the Germans pushed the allies back in
world war 1 was cause the russians fell due to there government falling apart.

World war two, the nazi's were running out of planes due to the RAF hence why they
invested so much in rocket tech.


Also for the best ships:

Subs: Russians, if they fixed them up they would have the vastest sub fleet in the world.

Destroyers: United states, even though they lack armor and other protection which would be
nice to have they still do pack a punch.

Battleships: United States, only country with battleships left on stand by to be used.

Carriers/chopper carriers: United States, this could be rivaled by china in the future though.

Fixed wing: Harriers are still used by the US and UK but are VERY OUT OF DATE. The most
advanced fighter in naval service at the moment is the F/A-18 Super hornet, if the F-14
Tomcat hadn't have been retired it would still be the top in my books.

Also for sea soldiers i am disagreeing completely with you, i've seen the way the RM are
trained and the way the USMC are trained. The USMC do receive a more comprehensive
training regiment focused more on the aspects of combat where there most likely to engage in.