waste of the programmers time... it would be better spent on the CVs or bug fixes....

this topic got a bit off-topic. any new takers on the idea? i know it's old, but I still
feel that this would change sub play for the better.

Actually, I did forget one battleship sunk by a battleship in WWII:

Jean Bart (sunk by USS Massachusetts in port, 8 November 1942)

"Asahi was a pre-dreadnought and had no underwater protection. It wasn't even on-par with
a "modern" cruiser and hardly counts at all. Especially since she was serving as a tender.."

A battleship is a battleship. Especially since we're discussing in the context of Navy
Field, where the ancient pre-dreadnought Mikasa (launched 1900!) is a front-line combat
vessel...

"Tirpitz was not sunk by the mini-subs."

Sure it was. If a ship is holed by battle damage and goes underwater, it's sunk. However,
It sunk upright and level in a shallow harbor, so like much of the US battle line at Pearl
Harbor, the Italian battleships at Taranto, and Jean Bart at Casablanca, Tirpitz was in a
condition where it could be repaired and refloated fairly quickly.

If it had been in deeper water, it would have been irrecoverable.

"As for battleships sunk by other battleships, don't forget Jutland, where battlecruisers
Indefatigable, Queen Mary, and Invincible were sunk by gunfire from German
battlecruiesrs."

Well, your original statement was '...in all of WWII', so I left out WWI combat. I
actually think the numbers comparison looks much better for battleships if you only count
WWII actions. If we're including WWI sinkings, though, that adds a huge number for the
submarine tally.

Submarines:

HMS Formidable (torpedoed by SM U-24 while underway, 1 Jaunary 1915)
HMS Triumph (torpedoed by SM U-21 while underway, 18 May 1915)
HMS Majestic (torpedoed by SM U-21 while underway, 27 May 1915)
Barbaros Hayreddin (torpedoed by HM Submarine E-11 while underway, 8 August 1915)
HMS Russell (struck mine laid by SM U-73 while underway, 27 April 1916)
Suffren (torpedoed by SM U-52 while underway, 26 November 1916)
Regina Margherita (struck mine laid by SM UC-14 while underway, 11 December 1916)
Gaulois (torpedoed by SM UB-47 while underway, 27 Deember 1916)
Peresvet (struck mine laid by SM U-73 while underway, 4 Jaunary 1917)
HMS Cornwallis (torpedoed by SM U-32 while underway, 11 Jaunary 1917)
Danton (torpedoed by SM U-64 while underway, 19 March 1917)
HMS Britannia (torpedoed by SM UB-50 while underway, 9 November 1918)

Destroyers:

SMS Pommern (torpedoed by HMS Onslaught while underway, 1 June 1916)

Asahi was a pre-dreadnought and had no underwater protection. It wasn't even on-par
with a "modern" cruiser and hardly counts at all. Especially since she was serving as a
tender..

Tirpitz was not sunk by the mini-subs. It was damaged, but repairs had been completed
before Tirpitz was bombed and sunk by the RAF using 12,000lb Tallboy bombs.

As for battleships sunk by other battleships, don't forget Jutland, where battlecruisers
Indefatigable, Queen Mary, and Invincible were sunk by gunfire from German
battlecruiesrs.

(Reply to old post. lol, history)

@Ramp4ge

"The "Truth" about subs, when it comes down to it, is that in all of WWII, 3 battleships
were sunk by submarines. 1 of them was at port and stationary..

3 battleships sunk for 858 losses, covering the 6 nations currently in the game."

HMS Royal Oak (torpedoed by U-47 in port, 14 October 1939)
HMS Barham (torpedoed by U-331 while underway, 25 November 1941)
Asahi (torpedoed by USS Salmon while underway, 25 May 1942)
Tirpitz (mined by HM Submarine X-6 and HM Submarine X-7 in port, 22 September 1943)
Kongo (torpedoed by USS Sealion while underway, 21 November 1944)

However, it's a silly number to cite anyway. The number of battleships sunk by other
battleships is just as pitiful as the number sunk by submarines:

Bretagne (sunk by HMS Valiant, HMS Resolution and HMS Hood in port, 3 July 1940)
HMS Hood (sunk by Bismarck while underway, 24 May 1941)
Bismarck (sunk by HMS Rodney and HMS King George V while underway-ish, 27 May 1941)
Kirishima (sunk by USS Washington while underway, 15 November 1942)
Scharnhorst (sunk by HMS Duke of York while underway, 26 December 1943)
Yamashiro (sunk by USS West Virginia, USS Maryland, USS Mississippi, USS Tennessee, USS
California and USS Pennsylvania while underway, 25 October 1944)

Destroyers were only a little bit behind both:

HNoMS Eidsvold (torpedoed by Z21 Wilhelm Heidkamp in port, 9 April 1940)
HNoMS Norge (torpedoed by Z11 Bernd von Arnim in port, 9 April 1940)
Fuso (torpedoed by USS Melvin while underway, 25 October 1944)

Not that I agree or disagree with the suggestion, I just think statistics like the above
are generally irrelevant, from a game design standpoint. They're really not meaningful or
representative, and they don't tell us any kind of truth about what the capabilities of
ships in game should be, even if we do want to make the game more historically accurate.

I already replaced AIR with BATTERY.

I submerge and watch my Battery Dial slowly move from full to empty. Then when the
red light comes on I know my Battery is low so I surface and recharge my battery.

More people need to see this.

In order to recharge, you have to run on the surface. The batteries cannot recharge
underwater. (in RL you could recharge at periscope depth but let's not get
complicated here)

While on the surface, you can go max speed because you won't be using battery.

Subs can go whatever speed they want on their battery no matter how much charge
is on it. But if they go full speed, their battery dies that much faster. And at full
speed, a sub wont get more than two or three minutes of battery life. Then they
have to surface to recharge.

This would also allow smart sub drivers to go great distances by popping up in
between groups of ships to recharge just enough to get to the next open space.

I like the idea of Battery Replacing air, its kinda stupid the way it is now.

In addition due to the fact that surfacing means that you have to switch one of your
diesel engines to recharging batteries, how about having subs without full battery life go
1/4-1/2 slower while surfaced till they have 100% battery.

Or maybe make that toggle-able, you can go full speed on the surface but your batteries
won't charge.

Good intention, but this would ruin game. Imagine a recharging underwater and he
never has the need to surface.