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How to get the best fighters
05. 29. 2008 01:55

Cracko	I have been calculating if is important or not powerlevel the fighter pilots. As you know, "real ability" is not the same thing as displayed ability, if you level a fighter properly, you are gaining more displayed ability, but you loose crew growth. If you powerlevel the fighters it helps you a bit for getting more real ability. But how much? is this important? I will put some results here. For the calculations im using km fighters base 11/12. -Green line is keeping them as fighters pilots. -Blue line is keeping them as ACE fighters. -Red line is making all the 3 upgrades. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- First calculations are made with 100 vets. (Oh, im suposing they are full of experts too) There is a relative difference between best and worst case of 3% on real fighter ability that can give you like 2-3 lvl. On aircraft the difference is bigger and it can give u more than 10lvls of advantage. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- Now calculations are made with 200 vets Differences remain the same (more or less) for real aircraft ability. For fighter ability differences seems to be smaller. Notice that now the best case is the blue line. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- It seems that will be interesting putting these results in fuction on number of vets in just one graphic. Lets see: No surprises for aircraft real ability, allways the green line is the better result. But for fighter real ability ... there are alternances. In the range of vets showed, best case is blue line. Anyways it moves in the range of 2-4% that gives you like 2-4 lvl of advantage. It doesnt seems a big difference ... but it exists. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- One more thing, remember that number of vets is capped at 40% of maximum crew size (correct me if im wrong) For a fighter that you keep as fighter pilot until lvl 120 the maximum number of vets will be 260 For a fighter that you keep as ACE fighter pilot until lvl120 the maximum number of vets will be 236 For a fighter that you promoted it to fighter squad leader at lvl75 the maximum number of vets will be 218. With those numbers of vets we have these values (ignore the X axis, it means nothing) Well, these are more significative differences than the others. So if you have a lot of money to spend on game, you know what you have to do, just make lvl40 upgrade. (Another questions will be if exists a capp for fighter ability and how important is aircraft ability on fighters) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- I dont understand why if there are lots of CV drivers with a lot of $$$ worried about how to have the best fighter pilots ... noone made calculations. I dont use to post a lot on forums, I hope u like it, and you understood my poor english :p

Cracko

I have been calculating if is important or not powerlevel the fighter pilots.
As you know, "real ability" is not the same thing as displayed ability, if you level a
fighter properly, you are gaining more displayed ability, but you loose crew growth.
If you powerlevel the fighters it helps you a bit for getting more real ability.
But how much? is this important? I will put some results here.
For the calculations im using km fighters base 11/12.

-Green line is keeping them as fighters pilots.
-Blue line is keeping them as ACE fighters.
-Red line is making all the 3 upgrades.

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First calculations are made with 100 vets. (Oh, im suposing they are full of experts
too)

There is a relative difference between best and worst case of 3% on real fighter
ability that can give you like 2-3 lvl.
On aircraft the difference is bigger and it can give u more than 10lvls of advantage.
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Now calculations are made with 200 vets

Differences remain the same (more or less) for real aircraft ability.
For fighter ability differences seems to be smaller. Notice that now the best case is
the blue line.

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It seems that will be interesting putting these results in fuction on number of vets in
just one graphic.
Lets see:

No surprises for aircraft real ability, allways the green line is the better result.
But for fighter real ability ... there are alternances. In the range of vets showed,
best case is blue line.
Anyways it moves in the range of 2-4% that gives you like 2-4 lvl of advantage.
It doesnt seems a big difference ... but it exists.
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One more thing, remember that number of vets is capped at 40% of maximum crew
size (correct me if im wrong)
For a fighter that you keep as fighter pilot until lvl 120 the maximum number of vets
will be 260
For a fighter that you keep as ACE fighter pilot until lvl120 the maximum number of
vets will be 236
For a fighter that you promoted it to fighter squad leader at lvl75 the maximum
number of vets will be 218.

With those numbers of vets we have these values (ignore the X axis, it means
nothing)

Well, these are more significative differences than the others.
So if you have a lot of money to spend on game, you know what you have to do,
just make lvl40 upgrade.

(Another questions will be if exists a capp for fighter ability and how important is
aircraft ability on fighters)
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I dont understand why if there are lots of CV drivers with a lot of $$$ worried about
how to have the best fighter pilots ... noone made calculations.
I dont use to post a lot on forums, I hope u like it, and you understood my poor
english :p

Re : How to get the best fighters
09. 24. 2008 16:14

Canek	Excellent work. Added your analysis as a reference on my guide. Obviously also, reccomended.

Re : How to get the best fighters
09. 24. 2008 15:37

jan77svoboda	<"so u mean that if i have 60 vets each and 30 experts on my lv 57 km FP, that i should class them to ace? but if i plan on 200 vets, i should keep them jsut fighters?"> No, If you have 200 vets, class. Basicly it says: The less Vets you have the more experts you need (crew grow idealy -> exp grow). Note that those calculations are made for X vets and rest full of experts. True ability is (4vets+exps)disp. ability*(crew/crewmax). Keep fighter -> bigger crew (theoreticly more experts) Get SQL -> bigger stats (for sure) If (4xvets+exps) > disp. ability then increasing disp ability helps more then increasing experts and vice versa (thats basic math). If you have same number of vets and experts (mean you can't fill your bigger crew with exps), SQL is obviously better. <"If u use many vets on ur pilots and not classing them, u are dependent on ur vets. And weall know vet killing rate ist not an happy thing when playing cvs. If u have a fighter with higher ability, normal vets, normal classed u have ur real ability more secure then someone other more dependent on his vets."> Good point. Just note that not classing is meant for more experts instead of many vets. I guess I will go for ACE for sure and then consider SQL as I will se how exp grow depend crew grow.

jan77svoboda

<"so u mean that if i have 60 vets each and 30 experts on my lv 57 km FP, that i
should class them to ace? but if i plan on 200 vets, i should keep them jsut
fighters?">

No, If you have 200 vets, class.
Basicly it says: The less Vets you have the more experts you need (crew grow idealy
-> exp grow).

Note that those calculations are made for X vets and rest full of experts.
True ability is (4*vets+exps)*disp. ability*(crew/crewmax).

Keep fighter -> bigger crew (theoreticly more experts)
Get SQL -> bigger stats (for sure)

If (4xvets+exps) > disp. ability then increasing disp ability helps more then
increasing
experts and vice versa (thats basic math).

If you have same number of vets and experts (mean you can't fill your bigger crew
with exps), SQL is obviously better.

<"If u use many vets on ur pilots and not classing them, u are dependent on ur vets.
And weall know vet killing rate ist not an happy thing when playing cvs.

If u have a fighter with higher ability, normal vets, normal classed u have ur real
ability more secure then someone other more dependent on his vets.">

Good point. Just note that not classing is meant for more experts instead of many
vets.
I guess I will go for ACE for sure and then consider SQL as I will se how
exp grow depend crew grow.

Re : How to get the best fighters
09. 24. 2008 12:38

Tomcatciller	nice Tip and Tactic. i notice that IJN Fighters are not as bad as people say, because they cant class above Ace Fighter Pilot they get a higher crew-size grouth than KM Pilots und so they have an larger crew size at lvl 120. So they can carry more vets then normal classed Fighters from KM or US. But i think there is another point of view on this. If u use many vets on ur pilots and not classing them, u are dependent on ur vets. And we all know vet killing rate ist not an happy thing when playing cvs. If u have a fighter with higher ability, normal vets, normal classed u have ur real ability more secure then someone other more dependent on his vets. sry for my bad english, iam german. Greets Edit: Recommended TCC

Tomcatciller

nice Tip and Tactic.

i notice that IJN Fighters are not as bad as people say, because they cant class above Ace
Fighter Pilot they get a higher crew-size grouth than KM Pilots und so they have an larger
crew size at lvl 120. So they can carry more vets then normal classed Fighters from KM or US.

But i think there is another point of view on this.

If u use many vets on ur pilots and not classing them, u are dependent on ur vets. And we
all know vet killing rate ist not an happy thing when playing cvs.

If u have a fighter with higher ability, normal vets, normal classed u have ur real
ability more secure then someone other more dependent on his vets.

sry for my bad english, iam german.

Greets

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Re : How to get the best fighters
09. 24. 2008 12:17

angus725	jeez...i dont understand any of this... so u mean that if i have 60 vets each and 30 experts on my lv 57 km FP, that i should class them to ace? but if i plan on 200 vets, i should keep them jsut fighters?

Re : How to get the best fighters
09. 24. 2008 11:41

jan77svoboda	As I am low-lvl and experts grow quite slowly I would like to ask someone about expert/vet gain at higher levels. Do experts grow faster with bigger crew? (eg. penalty per percentual or absolute experts reached or grow still at same rate) Do vets convert better at bigger crews or same? (eg. penalty per percentual or absolute vets reached) At which level you normaly get near to full experts to use the benefit of biger crew? (without conversion packs) This would help me to get a better picture of the "crew vs stats" thing.

jan77svoboda

As I am low-lvl and experts grow quite slowly I would like to ask someone about
expert/vet gain at higher levels.

Do experts grow faster with bigger crew? (eg. penalty per percentual or absolute
experts reached or grow still at same rate)

Do vets convert better at bigger crews or same? (eg. penalty per percentual or
absolute vets reached)

At which level you normaly get near to full experts to use the benefit of biger
crew? (without conversion packs)

This would help me to get a better picture of the "crew vs stats" thing.

Re : How to get the best fighters
09. 23. 2008 21:10

yim1990	good job! Graph to show the ability growth. A must watch for new CV players Recommend

Re : How to get the best fighters
07. 28. 2008 15:25

hychu	no pingman, as someone earlier stated, you can keep your pilot classed at the lvl 40 fighter stage until lvl 120, and they will have better fighter ability compared with properly classed pilots. if you look at the first two graphs, with 100 vets on the pilots, the pilot that isnt classed after lvl 40 has greater "real" ability than the pilots classed properly. now, as i said before, there is a hinting of a fighter ability cap, as experienced by cv drivers of all nations with fighters at lvl 120. they've noticed that fighters planes (not pilots) with higher durability and dp tend to survive better and defeat planes with lower durability. so generally speaking, at lvl 120 (assuming your pilot reached fighter ability cap), uk fighters > ijn > km > us .... or something along these lines. so my observation from cracko's awesome calculations and the appearance of a fighter ability cap, is that as long as your fighter ability reaches the cap (whatever it is), best fighter is determined by the plane specs. with that being said, seems like we can reach the "fighter cap" with 100 vets, quicker if you dont class your fighters after lvl 40 (assuming they reach the cap); and with 200 vets, just class them up to ACE fighters on time...

hychu

no pingman, as someone earlier stated, you can keep your pilot classed at the lvl 40
fighter stage until lvl 120, and they will have better fighter ability compared with
properly classed pilots.

if you look at the first two graphs, with 100 vets on the pilots, the pilot that isnt
classed after lvl 40 has greater "real" ability than the pilots classed properly.

now, as i said before, there is a hinting of a fighter ability cap, as experienced by cv
drivers of all nations with fighters at lvl 120. they've noticed that fighters planes (not
pilots) with higher durability and dp tend to survive better and defeat planes with lower
durability. so generally speaking, at lvl 120 (assuming your pilot reached fighter ability
cap), uk fighters > ijn > km > us .... or something along these lines.

so my observation from cracko's awesome calculations and the appearance of a fighter
ability cap, is that as long as your fighter ability reaches the cap (whatever it is),
best fighter is determined by the plane specs.

with that being said, seems like we can reach the "fighter cap" with 100 vets, quicker if
you dont class your fighters after lvl 40 (assuming they reach the cap); and with 200
vets, just class them up to ACE fighters on time...

Re : How to get the best fighters
07. 28. 2008 14:35

Eonwe	Recommeded! This came along at the right time for me. I am PL'ing fighters right now as a prelude to buying my Indy.

Re : How to get the best fighters
07. 28. 2008 07:39

thepingman	Err, as I read this one so the conclusion is... If I'm going to get a fighter pilot, way to class him is depend on "How much Vets I'll get on them" right? If I'm not going to get more than 109 vets => Class them in time If I'm going to max out Vets allowed (40% of max crew) => leave it as Fighter pilot. is this right? but this math also nice. thankyou

Re : How to get the best fighters
07. 27. 2008 06:26

Linux_Box	Yes, a fighter cap would make a difference in the decision making process. There appears to be evidence there is a fighter cap. The change in which nation has the best fighters at high levels indicates there is a fighter cap. A former TNF member has also indicated the existence of a cap but 'the bosses' don't want the information to get out. Since we don't know the exact figures for the cap, we can only guess at what point we reach it.

Linux_Box

Yes, a fighter cap would make a difference in the decision making process. There appears
to be evidence there is a fighter cap. The change in which nation has the best fighters
at high levels indicates there is a fighter cap. A former TNF member has also indicated
the existence of a cap but 'the bosses' don't want the information to get out. Since we
don't know the exact figures for the cap, we can only guess at what point we reach it.

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How to get the best fighters 05. 29. 2008 01:55

Re : How to get the best fighters 09. 24. 2008 16:14

Re : How to get the best fighters 09. 24. 2008 15:37

Re : How to get the best fighters 09. 24. 2008 12:38

Re : How to get the best fighters 09. 24. 2008 12:17

Re : How to get the best fighters 09. 24. 2008 11:41

Re : How to get the best fighters 09. 23. 2008 21:10

Re : How to get the best fighters 07. 28. 2008 15:25

Re : How to get the best fighters 07. 28. 2008 14:35

Re : How to get the best fighters 07. 28. 2008 07:39

Re : How to get the best fighters 07. 27. 2008 06:26