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  • How to get the best fighters

    05. 29. 2008 01:55

Cracko
I have been calculating if is important or not powerlevel the fighter pilots.
As you know, "real ability" is not the same thing as displayed ability, if you level a
fighter properly, you are gaining more displayed ability, but you loose crew growth.
If you powerlevel the fighters it helps you a bit for getting more real ability.
But how much? is this important? I will put some results here.
For the calculations im using km fighters base 11/12.


-Green line is keeping them as fighters pilots.
-Blue line is keeping them as ACE fighters.
-Red line is making all the 3 upgrades.



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First calculations are made with 100 vets. (Oh, im suposing they are full of experts
too)



There is a relative difference between best and worst case of 3% on real fighter
ability that can give you like 2-3 lvl.
On aircraft the difference is bigger and it can give u more than 10lvls of advantage.
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Now calculations are made with 200 vets




Differences remain the same (more or less) for real aircraft ability.
For fighter ability differences seems to be smaller. Notice that now the best case is
the blue line.

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It seems that will be interesting putting these results in fuction on number of vets in
just one graphic.
Lets see:



No surprises for aircraft real ability, allways the green line is the better result.
But for fighter real ability ... there are alternances. In the range of vets showed,
best case is blue line.
Anyways it moves in the range of 2-4% that gives you like 2-4 lvl of advantage.
It doesnt seems a big difference ... but it exists.
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One more thing, remember that number of vets is capped at 40% of maximum crew
size (correct me if im wrong)
For a fighter that you keep as fighter pilot until lvl 120 the maximum number of vets
will be 260
For a fighter that you keep as ACE fighter pilot until lvl120 the maximum number of
vets will be 236
For a fighter that you promoted it to fighter squad leader at lvl75 the maximum
number of vets will be 218.


With those numbers of vets we have these values (ignore the X axis, it means
nothing)



Well, these are more significative differences than the others.
So if you have a lot of money to spend on game, you know what you have to do,
just make lvl40 upgrade.

(Another questions will be if exists a capp for fighter ability and how important is
aircraft ability on fighters)
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I dont understand why if there are lots of CV drivers with a lot of $$$ worried about
how to have the best fighter pilots ... noone made calculations.
I dont use to post a lot on forums, I hope u like it, and you understood my poor
english :p
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  • Re : How to get the best fighters

    05. 30. 2008 11:58

Linux_Box
The conclusions stated above are based on the numbers. It is not a recommendation nor an
endorsement to skip classing your pilots. Everyone is allowed to do as they wish. I take
no responsibility for your actions or inactions. If you decide to not class, you are
doing so at your own risk. YMMV, use at your own risk and you are responsible for any
actions you take or don't take!!

  • Re : How to get the best fighters

    05. 30. 2008 11:52

Linux_Box
OK, after redoing all numbers from scratch and re-evaluating, the most important graph is
"figure 2" regarding a comparison of all 3 classing situations with variable amounts of
vets. Findings which seem to match OP findings:

1) If you can keep your pilots maxed @40% vets then 'fighter only' is the best way to go.
Since this is expensive and hard to do given vet losses for CVs, I wouldn't suggest this
path except to the most dedicated, rich and crazy players!! You won't see measurable
difference until after level 60. If you are going to be 10-20 vets under max then
classing to 'Ace only' is better.

2) As a general rule, classing to 'fighter only' is best if you plan to have less than 120
vets. Class to 'Ace only' if you plan on having 120 more vets.

3) Less than 1% difference between 'fighter only' and 'Ace only' between ~90 & ~150 vets
('Ace only' better after 120 vets).

4) Classing normally is better than classing to 'fighter only' between 190 & 218 vets (40%
vets maxed out for classed normally).

5) If you put more than 230 vets on your 'fighter only' pilot then he will perform better
than 'classed normally'. (at very high levels).

6) Classing normally results in less true ability in almost all situations (nearly 100% of
the time) vs. 'Ace Only'. Classing normally gives less true ability than 'Fighter only'
(~90% of the time).

7) Classing to 'Ace only' gives you until level 75 to decide before you are forced to make
a decision. Classing to 'Fighter only' requires you to make the decision at level 60.


Unkown parts of the situation:
1) Is there a cap on fighter ability? We don't know but a cap would negate much of this
and definitely change how to deal with the question of classing & to what level.

2) How much difference in true ability between 2 pilots is necessary for it to show in a
battle situation? Most of the differences I find are less than 2% with most being under
1%. Is this enough to make a difference? No one seems to know.

I'll continue looking over the numbers but they seem to generally indicate Cracko's
findings are correct (unless we both made the same mistakes).

  • Re : How to get the best fighters

    05. 30. 2008 10:30

raptor88
and y would km fp lose aircraft ability when they are promoted? each time they promote
they dont loose aircraft ability

  • Re : How to get the best fighters

    05. 30. 2008 10:19

raptor88
i dont get how having a smaller crew size would do anything.. vets and experts are
multipliers.. if u get a bigger crew.. the more multiplier you will be able to get.. as
long as u keep ur crew at 100 percent.. theres shouldn't be any disadvantages to having a
big crew other than weight


i mean... Obst's formala is

True Ability = (4xVets + Experts) N/N X displayed ability

  • Re : How to get the best fighters

    05. 30. 2008 08:22

Linux_Box
I'm going through the spreadsheets right now.

Another item to consider is theory vs. reality. How many CV skippers can maintain maxed
out Vets and Experts? This really plays into the decision to class or not class as not
classing really depends on getting the absolute max number of each. Classing on time uses
the displayed ability to boost true ability whereas not classing is using number of
sailors (= more vets/experts possible).

In reality, documentation depending on 40% vets and all others experts isn't realistic.
You would go to the poor house trying to maintain those levels. Therefore, be careful
when evaluating this information since it is more theoretical than realistic in practice.

  • Re : How to get the best fighters

    05. 30. 2008 07:24

Bluto
This....is why vet death exists (especially on fighters).

If they removed vet death, then they would need to cap fighter ability as a definite
otherwise...lower level pilots of even a few levels couldn't come near to competing.

  • Re : How to get the best fighters

    05. 30. 2008 06:10

Linux_Box
"@Linux

Use the math logic.

More sailor crew..... less sensitive effect of vets (no promoted)

Less sailor crew.... very sensitive the number of vets (promoted normally)

since 1 vet count for 4 experts."

heheh, I understand math quite well. ;)

The number of vets is constant there for displayed ability will make a major difference
hence promoting on time would be of greater help here. If you max the vets at 40% then
higher crew number would mean more vets overall so no classing would help here.

I am not saying OP is wrong since I don't have the exact data in front of me. I am saying
this contradicts all the research I've seen on this subject before. Anytime I see a
contradiction I want to know why because both sides cannot be right.

I'll try to find my spreadsheets. I'll also double check my findings to see if I
misinterpreted them but they do confirm what others had found previously on the subject.

This in no way diminishes the effort and work Cracko put into this. I just want to make
sure we have accurate information for everyone to make decisions.

  • Re : How to get the best fighters

    05. 30. 2008 00:01

Khobai
so I should keep my fighters as aces and not upgrade them?

  • Re : How to get the best fighters

    05. 29. 2008 23:36

Hirumaru
Darnok, Linux, refer to the last graph in the first post.


-Hiru

  • Re : How to get the best fighters

    05. 29. 2008 23:19

darnok3
@Linux

Use the math logic.

More sailor crew..... less sensitive effect of vets (no promoted)

Less sailor crew.... very sensitive the number of vets (promoted normally)

since 1 vet count for 4 experts.
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