ASW isn't that hard, given you know what you are doing. it would be nice to get something for killing subs, maybe even a chuck of creds per level of sub ss1 = 1.5k, ss2 = 2.5k... 5.5 = 6k lol

Just a higher ratio of credits, experience, and, ability points for damaging subs would be nice. Because submarines can become invulnerable at will they can avoid most hedgehog weapons. when they do take HH damage, its usually very high, but even with high damage the actual rewards are very low.

Most ships dont carry hedgehogs because without sonar, theyre almost totally worthless.

The primary role of FF, DD, and CL in Great Battle games is to use sonar and hunt subs. If your team is competant youll have some people carry extra hedgehogs.

ASW is a difficult job? But you know what is really difficult? Sneaking underwater at low speed, praying for every second of your time while diving that you won't encounter a KM SS5/5.5, sneaking through the checking eyes of CLs and DDs who will no doubt shower you with HH once they see you on their sonar.

Hit the BBs with torp and hope they are not a bulge whore or armed with HH themselves. And if you managed to run out of air deep behind enemy line, your death will no doubt be a gruesome one. And even after you achieved the impossible, you don't even recieve any recognition from anyone.  

If the hunters are meant to be awarded for their kills, should the prey also be awarded for living another day? 

There are balance issues. Submarines are too fast, too tough, have an invulnerability move, carry too many torpedoes.

Anti-submarines weapons are limited to the neutered hedgehog which is little more than a ranged, weak, shotgun version of depth charge. when it takes dozens of those to take on a single submarine, when only 1 hit could sink a submarine, you know something is wrong.

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the role of anti-submarine ships during world war 2 changed greatly. submarines remained mostly static, with some end-war improvements in propulsion systems, but anti-submarine ships increased greatly. anti-submarine sonar, various ranged weapons like the Squid 3-shot depth charge launcher, the Y and K Gun, the Hedgehog contact(not timed) mortar. America made the FIDO plane-dropped homing torpedoe to hunt down submarines suring world war 2 and it had a high success rate. the United Kingdom made successful plane-dropped sonubouys and plane-depth charges.

When people complain that the submarine it hard to use, they dont get thats its massively buffed over the real thing. Most submarines topped out at the under 20knots surface speed and has around 10knots dive-speed. Evene the slowest surface ships could outrun a dived submarine once it was known. Torpedoes would be limited even in heavy submarines to only a few dozen shots they would need to spread out over days/weeks/months at sea.

Anti-sub is alot weaker than real life, submarines are alot better. If I ever see s submarine actually run in fear of a 5inch gun, ill be happy.(5inch guns could penetrate a submarine hull, sinking it rather easily).

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But bottom line, a submarine can one-shot frigates, destroyers, and some light cruisers. The only way they can return the favor is if they load ALL their weapons mounts with hedghogs and hope the target is a tier 1 sub.

As there are not enough ASW ships can change the suggestion with a new buttom: NO SS & HH allowed.

Easy, not? Kill both problems in one shot