*sigh* this is a GAME the ships and guns are accurate but the gameplay is not, would you likke to be sunk in one shot? ss be able to stay under for days/weeks? no, so don't even bother going there.

RL=/= Game.....

Submarines taking full salvo's from BB's and still being alive isn't accurate.

RL =/= NF

No it isn't a weak argument. Not at all. Its a fact.



Because the damage output of subs is stupidly high. I disagree with duds and think they should be removed and the damage output nerfed.



Chance based game isn't right. Yet ASW can't one shot BB6's. And not the point of this thread.



And not the point of this thread yet again. I personally think damage from crit dive should be removed...




Subs are capital ships. Subs have crazy damage output. Subs can avoid ALL weapons at the push of a button. Subs can move and be immune to shells. Stop whining. S



This clearly shows you just want classes you don't play nerfed. If you want to comment on class based balance, then play all the classes.

IF, and only IF, there were dedicated high level ASW/AA ships, then I would support a nerf to Capital ship ASW. However, it would only be down to current HH levels, just a removal of Premium HH (Which should be removed anyway). They already need CL and below to be able to actually see the subs.

source plz, otherwise lay off the rhetoric....and plz lets dare not use real life examples either as it's been clearly outlawed.


we can agree SS gameplay is screwy, i say it's slant you say it's not.
see as a torp whore i rather leave duds in, i like the concept, i mean i really love it so much i want everyone to share into the experience and enjoy it. (just spreading the love like the spread of torps on a kita)


its ok to discuss, no crime here right? though whats your point using asw on bb's? i don't see how you can draw parallels here.



can you also agree subs should be able to move to evade as well? can i get anybody else thoughts on this?



for the record no subs are not capital ships. when i say capital ships i mean cas and above, but for the sake of gameplay i don't mind ca's carrying asw. true subs can do crazy damage if given the chance. on the flip side they have to be extremely close to get those torps into ships, unlike other "capital" ships, we are also limited on armor if anyone uses it. besides once we fire our torps players can guesstimate where we are by trajectory, in which case having lesser ships do a larger part in aswing for the team. gives players a niche like us torp whores. (on a side note why can't we sub users be allowed to fire torps on a "programmed" trajectory"? not manually guiding the torp like a "kaiten torp" or acoustic torp (my personal wet dream for us TW'S), but angling it from the point we fire it)



cause i'm tired of tw's in general being the adopted red haired child in the family (no offense to any redheads)
wouldn't you complain if there were nerfs coming to cvs and bbs? i mean really even a suggestion gets flaked with out proper discussion. if you must know, i used to run with a bb back in the day and experimented with cv's as well. stuck to twing.....i just loved the reaction i would get back then. besides would it not be boring if we were all were bbs and cv's? (i figured thats why they added ship restrictions during my absence) i would even settle for more ss restrictions per room and removal of smoke usage for ss users. even increase damage done using asw on subs only.



hell even i can get back behind this, you should suggest it and i would even recommend it. thanks for your thoughts though,