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  • New poll for HA time schedule

    08. 10. 2011 20:54


zitroneGM
At our forum, farazelleth suggested a new time schedule for the current HA. His purpose was to arrange the time schedules easier to participate from different timezones. We agreed that it is worth to discuss, so we started a poll for this issue. Check his suggestion, and give us your opinion!


*Go to poll

*Suggested time schedules by farazelleth (See full thread)

 


Thanks,
zitroneGM

 

  • Re : New poll for HA time schedule

    09. 13. 2011 10:25


Lone_RANGER
i was against changing the HA times ... BUT ... the "forum voted" ...

riiiight ... a FEW people voted ... and then NFNA/SDE/TNF (hereafter 'SDE') stripped out a bunch of the NO votes
this right here is what bothers me most .. a few voters voted .. NOT even a quorum of the total player population
yet they changed the game for EVERYONE (read that "fooked it over big time just for a VERY FEW people voting)

secondly .. if the vote was questionable .. it should have been TOTALLY re-done .. not 'EDITTED' to suit by SDE
sde admits to removing votes and then counting as they pleased ..
this is vote tampering and just as wrong as ballot stuffing ..
BOTH actions totally invalidate a vote .. but here we are ..

the whole thing is wrong on so many levels ...

* a FEW people get to mess the times up for everyone ...
there should ba a minimum quorum number for such votes ..
ABSTAINING is a valid VOTE count .. it means LEAVE THE STATUS QUO ALONE ... but sde couldn't see that ...

* sde themselves tampered with the vote numbers to make it into something it wasn't ..
that alone invalidates the entire vote and reduces it to "CHANGED ON SDE WHIM ALONE"
i bet a few of those "removed" votes were valid with friends just voting on the same machine
HOW did sde sort out who was a one person multi-voter and who were one machine several voters ?
it all boils down to admitted vote result tampering by sde .. there was no valid vote on this issue .. just whim

* HA times are a FLEET-ONLY thing ... so why was the GENERAL POPULATION voting at all ??
sde wants to remove votes ? .. then remove all NON-FLEET votes as invlaid and irrelvelant to HA times ..


a valid vote would be to have fleets only vote on a fleet only game mode
there should be a minimum quorum of how many fleets would need to vote for it to apply
then from meeting that minimum quorum the results could be counted
if the fleets are polled as individual members or fleet leaders only is up to discussion
but a case can be made for it being fleet-leader-only voting .. since only fleet leaders can even declare on HA

i support leaders-only voting for several reasons ...
leaders can access their fleet forum to poll their own members .. and then bring one vote per fleet
and they know who is active in their fleet .. they have an idea what times their fleet plays most often
its simple to total up the number fo fleets and determine a minimum quorum number for changes
* discount from the total any fleet leaders inactive for over 12 months (or 6 months or some such)
altho the recent server merger has purged these inactive fleets ... so this step is sorta redundant
also possibly discount any fleets with under 30 members as well (they can't do HA = so why vote?)

only fleets capable of even doing HA should be the ones voting on any kind of HA time changes

below are just some totally imaginary random numbers for example illustraion only ...
say there are 100 fleets registered on NFNA ... (based on both servers combined numbers)
say 30 have had no activity on their fleet leader acct in over 12 months (defunct fleets)
say from the remaining 70 that another 20 are small with less than 30+ members (can't do HA = why vote?)
we are now left with 50 'valid' active fleets capable of legally declaring HA
from that 50 lets say a 60% quorum is needed to effect changes for ALL ...
so we now have roughly 30 fleet leader votes needed to make the poll valid
IF 30 fleet leaders vote .. then we can count up the results and see what they say
this would then be considered as a valid HA TIME CHANGE POLL result



rather than what we just had done ...

a SMALL number of players ... some of whom have NOTHING to even do with HA at all .... voted in a poll
the poll results were then MODIFIED at WHIM by sde ... and then the 'results' announced ... ohh .. WRONG




i suggest sde puts ORIGINAL HA TIMES back in place with this wed nites patch .. BEFORE any HA's saturday


then RE-DO the poll .... with ONLY fleet's voting ... (whether members or leaders only is up to dicussion)

  • Re : New poll for HA time schedule

    09. 13. 2011 11:03


t_4_h_2_c_0
Originally Posted by Lone_RANGER

Im butthurt


Your level 59 on nebraska, and 28 on kaiser........what exactly are you going to do in a HA anyways?

  • Re : New poll for HA time schedule

    09. 13. 2011 11:36


Lone_RANGER
Originally Posted by t_4_h_2_c_0

Originally Posted by Lone_RANGER

Im butthurt


Your level 59 on nebraska, and 28 on kaiser........what exactly are you going to do in a HA anyways?



probaly a lot more than you imagine ...


but ... what exactly does this have to do with any of my points on the voting procedure and issues ?

nevrmidn the little bit about your butthead stunt with editing words and attributing them to a quote ... troll bro ?

  • Re : New poll for HA time schedule

    09. 13. 2011 11:58


ozzy0
is a vote and thats all
if sde did not want to change the times they can and if they want they can
all votes can be rigged so don't cry adout it

now as for voting everyone can vote it make no deference if ur in a fleet or not
some fleets have a lvl limit for nev membes outhers look at the skill of players
now wy withhold a players option to vote if he is not in a fleet he may be at a later date
or is lvling up a radioman to make one of his one
a vote is a vote and everyone have one

  • Re : New poll for HA time schedule

    09. 13. 2011 12:26


Lone_RANGER
Originally Posted by ozzy0

is a vote and thats all
if sde did not want to change the times they can and if they want they can
all votes can be rigged


that is correct ...... they can indeed change anything on whim .. i said that exact thing above

altho you have a moral and ethical duty to cry foul if they try to pass it off as the result of a vaild vote



Originally Posted by ozzy0

now as for voting everyone can vote it make no deference if ur in a fleet or not
some fleets have a lvl limit for nev membes outhers look at the skill of players
now wy withhold a players option to vote if he is not in a fleet he may be at a later date
or is lvling up a radioman to make one of his one
a vote is a vote and everyone have one


not everyone has the right to vote .. you must meet certain conditions ....
as i said .. under 18 can't vote .. even tho they will someday .. they can't 'now'

and not everyopne actually votes for some things .. like president .... only the electoral college has that right

and i think its more than fair to limit the right to vote on HA times to those who DO actually play in those HA's

i also think that one vote per fleet is a fair way to give equal voice to the matter of fleet size

my opinion is that only those who can actually declare HA (fleet leaders) should vote on changing HA aspects


but ... bottom line .. as you pointed out .. sde is free to chaneg anything they want to any time they want to

what i;m pointing out is that the ha time change poll thing was a sham (remeber the server merger poll ?)
and that if they want to claim its a poll result then they need to have a valid poll vote at least ..they currently don't

i will playing HA regardless of what times it is .... but i won't wink and turn a blind eye to them painting the town blue and then trying to say the paint can said red .. and then refuse to re-paint and insist we call blue red now .. call it what it is .. changed on whim (they do have that right - correct) .. but it was not changed on teh strength of any valid poll result ... just saying