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  • Joke Weapon: United States 5/54mm guns need reasonable AA shells

    03. 10. 2014 11:38

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Chaosticket

the United States navy 5"/54 cal Mark 16 dual purpose guns are bugged/nerfed to do only 45 damage using AA shells. Combined with its rate of fire its about 25% at effective as the 5/38 dual purpose gun.

Checking other nations' and even other USN 5inch guns, this damage is far too low with the next weakest gun doing 79damage.

The damage should be between 80 and 100 per shell.

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Ive heard an argument that its not designed for anti-aircraft gun. Thats wrong as its a DUAL PURPOSE Gun, like other high-angle guns. Specifically it was made for the Montana battleship and used on the Midway carrier. Some of the dual-purpose guns are slow-reloading but theyre also stronger than faster-firing weapons.

 

  • Re : Joke Weapon: United States 5/54mm guns need reasonable AA shells

    03. 18. 2014 08:12


mako089

With all due respect nyerkovic, this is a case of a new player who hasn't leveled past 50 making suggestions.  When I make harsh statements towards a player it's only after I observed their play in-game.

I understand where he is coming from but at the same time, if he hasn't bothered to level one nation to the BB4-5 stage, how can anyone take any suggestion seriously?

When you make a suggestion, it should be based on playing the entire(majority of the) ship line + meduim-high level sailors.

From my observations and his suggestion it's fairly evident that he is requesting fairly powerful/easy armaments at lower stages in the game.  Once again I totally understand the feeling but it's not going to happen.  Level you sailors.

Concentrate on one nation, level it into the 80s-90s then make a suggestion.  Making countless threads here while your sailors aren't even capped out of blitz isn't going to get you anywhere.

I'm not here to fight you but to steer you in the "right" direction. 

 

  • Re : Joke Weapon: United States 5/54mm guns need reasonable AA shells

    03. 18. 2014 08:44


AndrusN

Originally Posted by nyerkovic

Navyfield is based on real life, but doesn't always intend to replicate it.


That is the nicest way I have seen, "NF =\= RL" typed... 

  • Re : Joke Weapon: United States 5/54mm guns need reasonable AA shells

    03. 18. 2014 10:44


nyerkovic

Originally Posted by mako089

With all due respect nyerkovic, this is a case of a new player who hasn't leveled past 50 making suggestions.  When I make harsh statements towards a player it's only after I observed their play in-game.

I understand where he is coming from but at the same time, if he hasn't bothered to level one nation to the BB4-5 stage, how can anyone take any suggestion seriously?



I don't think that the level a person has in the game has any mayor relation to the quality of suggestions. In order to suggest you just need to understand how something fits in the game and leveling up is not the only way to do that.

We have many examples of good suggestions in the test server forum that have come from people who don't even own the ship they are talking about, but they have read, they have learned and know how it fits and what could be done.

His suggestions are only missing a broader view of how things fit in the game in regards to nation traits and performance of other nations in order to make a point, but I wouldn't say that this is missing due to his level. Some people get to multiple lvl120s without ever understanding how everything fits.

  • Re : Joke Weapon: United States 5/54mm guns need reasonable AA shells

    03. 18. 2014 11:36


mako089

Originally Posted by nyerkovic

Originally Posted by mako089

With all due respect nyerkovic, this is a case of a new player who hasn't leveled past 50 making suggestions.  When I make harsh statements towards a player it's only after I observed their play in-game.

I understand where he is coming from but at the same time, if he hasn't bothered to level one nation to the BB4-5 stage, how can anyone take any suggestion seriously?



I don't think that the level a person has in the game has any mayor relation to the quality of suggestions. In order to suggest you just need to understand how something fits in the game and leveling up is not the only way to do that.

We have many examples of good suggestions in the test server forum that have come from people who don't even own the ship they are talking about, but they have read, they have learned and know how it fits and what could be done.

His suggestions are only missing a broader view of how things fit in the game in regards to nation traits and performance of other nations in order to make a point, but I wouldn't say that this is missing due to his level. Some people get to multiple lvl120s without ever understanding how everything fits.

 

No I think in this case it does.  I've been following his suggestions  for the past few weeks and at the same time seen him in game.  It's premature.  Once someone has gone through at least a nation's entire line I can accept it but in this case, the max level is around 50.  That's not enough to formulate anything.  I'm trying to be very understanding in this case but if you go through his other suggestion you will see it is mainly based on ignorance due to lack of experience.

I understand lower level players might want certain armaments/abilities but at the same time they need to be earned.  In this case they haven't even bothered to level and are asking for changes.  They haven't seen the full capabilities of the sailors not to mention the armaments and are talking about changes.  Play all the ships, try all the guns, maximize the ability of those sailors and then make suggestions based on TOTAL experience not the bits and pieces from the early stages.

  • Re : Joke Weapon: United States 5/54mm guns need reasonable AA shells

    03. 18. 2014 17:31


KevinJ

I was going to go off about how wronged US is with its AA options, but elected not to for the following reasons.

1) They are too heavy, you sacrifice speed and bulge to carry them. Even if you added damage to them, or lowered reload or any other number of possible buffs, it is not enough to offset that.

2) HH's are more directly linked to survival than AA is anyways (as a BB).

  • Re : Joke Weapon: United States 5/54mm guns need reasonable AA shells

    03. 19. 2014 07:13


mako089

Originally Posted by nyerkovic

I don't think that the level a person has in the game has any mayor relation to the quality of suggestions. In order to suggest you just need to understand how something fits in the game and leveling up is not the only way to do that.

I should and will soften my tone.

I would like to see ships and armaments that are usable for at level or at least near at level sailors. 
My only concern with an inexperienced player is that if they were using - for example - a 12aaw 7 reload sailor complaining about the performance of aa, well it's fairly ignorant.

I have made the mistake of accusing Chaosticket of being inexperienced due to what I have seen in-game, the stats of stuff he might sell on the trade board etc.  From there I have treated  all his suggestions as "buff my ship."  But in my defense I think we all perceive a lot of things the first time around as being unfair or not adequate.  When we redo things we know what stats are important, how to play the ship, what the best armaments are etc etc.  Often things don't feel as bad the second time around and that's my point.

 

  • Re : Joke Weapon: United States 5/54mm guns need reasonable AA shells

    03. 21. 2014 03:26


EricIdle


I'd second you there, mako.

In my opinion, you don't need to tone down your posts, as what you've done is pointing out the obvious reality.

  • Re : Joke Weapon: United States 5/54mm guns need reasonable AA shells

    03. 21. 2014 05:17


mako089

Originally Posted by EricIdle


I'd second you there, mako.

In my opinion, you don't need to tone down your posts, as what you've done is pointing out the obvious reality.

I think we all have differing opinions on this but when I didn't like the way a certain ship was, we just used another one OR armed that ship in a way that it was most effective.  I've always looked at it as - this is the way "Ship A" was designed.  If I can make it work fine ~ if not then I will use something else.  I've never been compelled to have a ship changed to suit my needs.   I also felt that if I could make a cumbersome ship really effective then it would make me special. So when possible I've tried to make the best of a "difficult" ship. There really are so many ships available for use ~ does each one need to be discussed here?

  • Re : Joke Weapon: United States 5/54mm guns need reasonable AA shells

    03. 21. 2014 21:16


Chaosticket

Mako089 I could be screetching about every minor detail I dont like over the 7 or so years Ive been coming back to this game. I dont.

Now Im bringing up the fact that 5/54mm United States Navy Dual-purpose gun has unusually low damage anti-aircraft shells resulting in extremely low DamagerPerSecond for its caliber, level, and tier.

I suggested that be fixed. Perhaps saying its bugged/nerfed didnt convey that.

Please notice the point that I have suggested no other guns have any performance changes.

  • Re : Joke Weapon: United States 5/54mm guns need reasonable AA shells

    03. 25. 2014 02:50


babyheart

Originally Posted by Chaosticket

 

Now Im bringing up the fact that 5/54mm United States Navy Dual-purpose gun has unusually low damage anti-aircraft shells resulting in extremely low DamagerPerSecond for its caliber, level, and tier.

I suggested that be fixed. Perhaps saying its bugged/nerfed didnt convey that.

So what you going to say for UK (not that poms poms) and RM aa? Also I am still waiting for your answer to a 1 vs 1 challenge. You ignored me and then go afk when i ask you for 1 vs 1 and personally chaos, you chould play a line and not having all other nation line like "someone" else and complain about the exp and give suggestion for changes. 

@Mako089  
he said km line is bad until bb4 and i simply pop in saying "bismarck is good too".

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