search function? there are plenty of posts on subs... by you

Lol, I really laughed at this one. Subs aren't OP, they are just fine in general.

BUT CA/BB should be able to carry sonar, no reason for it, kinda lame IMO.

Besides, why would you want to ban BB from having HH? It's not like they bother loading any. They just watch the ss submerge on a heading directly at them, then continue to sling at the enemy line, til they hear torp warning, continue to sling, then take the second salvo , which kills them. Then they come to the forum and complain about OP ss, lol.

It's a system mastered by a few famous people I won't mention, and it works well. If you don't want to adapt to a new dynamic, or are having a hard time, just whip up a flash mob of outraged people and bust out the nerf bat.

That's how we get BB that can completely repair themselves in about 4 mins during a battle, at sea .

That's how we get a "submersible" that can't stay underwater longer than an unassisted human being.

Also, trade in outrageous claims also helps to bolster arguments, such as:

"SS can one shot a BB6!!!" In someone's feverish wet dreams, perhaps.....(watched a well known lvl 117 SS player pound away at a bb6 the other day, guy never tried to run, and it took 14 torps to kill it, which is 4 whole salvos.)

"They can just crit dive to avoid HH!!!!!" Yeah, and lose DP at a huge rate, and worse, "air" time...lol. Here's a tip for the kiddies: Gradual fire. Pop one HH, he dives, wait 3 sec, repeat til sub is too damaged from crit dive to submerge again. Then kill it. Easily.

"SS4 can take a FULL SALVO from BB6!!!" ORLY???? thats one of the funnier ones. The only SS that can even approach performance like that are lvl 115+ with BVE crews. And actually according to the false "level equivalence" argument, that should be okey dokey, since once BO are the same level , you get the "right" to not be killed by lower levels, and to one shot things that ARE in your level bracket. LOL, level equivalence is IMO just a defense of privilege for elite/endgame players.

But yeah, the HH ban for BB is not a good idea. They should get sonar as well. And an ASW ship in each nation outsde of any line , that has unlimited crew space and no lvl based xp nerf. to encourage high lvl players to ASW and make it worthwhile in the grinding sense.

Disagree, Just nerf the damage of PHH (surface, but submergence too).


1 Salvo (5-7 shells, so one PHH gun) can take out a sub.

Well, my first guess would be that HH are classified as guns and cannot therefore hit submerged targets, but DC are classed as torps, so they may do so. If the sub has switched to the "submerged" sprite, it receives MORE damage from further than a "surfaced" , not the surfaced ship receiving less. Until the HH "land" they are just projectiles, once they land, they are able to hit the "submerged " sprite. Notice how when you hit a surface ship with HH its says " you have sunk X by gunfire" or w/e. But after they land, and the submerged charge goes off, it tells you you killed it by torp. Just my theory based on what ive read about how the engine works.