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  • IJN SS5

    10. 08. 2011 22:19

Recommend : 5

GHHalley
Disclaimer -- I have not been on the test server and am going on other people's comments.  Basically, it sounds like the IJN SS5 is in general worse than the SS4 and the only thing you get is TBs (I'm guessing only a couple). and you have to be on the surface to launch the TBs.  This stinks.

I am not at all interested in this ship -- I already get beat too often by KM SS4s and a couple TBs will not make the situation better.
   This would be REALLY interesting -- much better than TBs.  The only way I could see TBs being worthwhile is if the sub could launch at least six at a time and be able to hold at least 12 at the beginning of the game.  This would be sufficient firepower to keep the sub behind your line where you could surface without risking BB bombardment. 

Got one idea -- don't make it torpedo bombers launched from the IJN SS5 -- make them mini subs!  We could operate them just like planes and they could hold one torpedo, just like in WW2 (well the japs often held two torps, so give them two airborne torpedos that are launched at the same time)

The differences from planes -- 1) mother sub does not have to surface to launch  2) can't be seen without sonar 3) mini subs have limited sonar range 4) limited speed  5) can be destroyed only be torps or dc or hh -- no aa.

Still have the mini-subs able to return to the ship for reload, like a plane.  And give it limited "flight time"  This would mimic the air cycle of the sub.  If it runs out of air, it dies (like the plane running out of fuel).  Don't give the mini sub the option to surface -- it has to stay underwater the whole time it is deployed. 

This would be REALLY interesting.  Help the gigantic mother sub against other subs, but would still limit the difference it would make.

 

  • Re : IJN SS5

    10. 09. 2011 22:21


GHHalley
I did put a shortened version of this recommendation on the test server forum. I didn't see all of the posts there until tonight.

on the historical light -- I did see this coming, but in reality, the Japs only had 3 subs with planes, but they had a plethora of mini-sub launching subs. So from a historical standpoint, my suggestion is more sound.

There are two reasons, i picked mini-subs vs planes -- there really isn't much difference between the two. mini-subs would be launch while submerged, planes are not. mini-subs are slower with less sight and able to be targeted by other subs. This makes it much more in line with the rest of the sub warfare vs being something that is so odd that it is useless.

I did enjoy the Oyodo, but that was because its a level 33 ship. It doesn't make sense to have an Oyodo at level 100. i will post this again on the test server discussions.

  • Re : IJN SS5

    10. 09. 2011 22:44


Baker654
I am hopeing that the Japanese when they get tier 6 subs instead of a regular submarine that has standard submarine gameplay, the japanese get a choice between 3 special projects with their own special abilities

I-201 Sen Taka diesel electric sub, moves faster underwater than on the surface, while only has 4 forward torpedo tubes, it has a snorkel when turned on it allows the submarine to recharge the air supply while underwater but at the cost of decreasing its stealth capacity

I-400 Sen Toku carrier sub, a massive sub armed with 8 forward torpedo tubes and a 6" gun. It can hold a Oyodo worth of torpedo bombers, and fighter-recons. It can launch up to 3 planes at a time. However the I-400 has a slower time to crash dive than most other subs making it more vulnerable to attacks.

Type C mod midget sub mothership: a modified HEI while the mothership has 2 less torpedo tubes than the original HEI, the Type C mod can launch Type A Ko-hyoteki midget subs which act as underwater torpedo bombers, they are nearly impossible to detect unless they are within 10 meters of a Destroyer, they have only 2 torpedos, their air time is more limited than normal subs, and have 500 DP

  • Re : IJN SS5

    10. 09. 2011 23:38


Marstec
is it posible to release the ss5 first and then we start the suggestion? ^^

  • Re : IJN SS5

    10. 10. 2011 08:09


Sonlirain
Seeing how the TBs on the IJN SS5 SHARE torpedo space with regular torps i think it should get a special tier of TBs that would carry stronger than average torps.
I'm talking about MN pre nerf torps here that used to deal like 10k damage.

  • Re : IJN SS5

    10. 10. 2011 13:19


KingCong
how didnt I foresee this LJ/leaderwolf cat fight from a SS thread?

  • Re : IJN SS5

    10. 10. 2011 14:39


ljsevern
That ship was my emden escort. Is that seriously the only time you have sunk me? And it would be nice to get a L3.

And that was when you followed me around humping me. A mod was in the room at the time.

  • Re : IJN SS5

    10. 10. 2011 15:03


psychohove
Either keep this thred to topic, clean and constructive or it will be locked and binned.

psychohove

  • Re : IJN SS5

    10. 10. 2011 16:17


ljsevern
Originally Posted by psychohove

Either keep this thred to topic, clean and constructive or it will be locked and binned.

psychohove


Thank you. Can you please check out the other threads in the test server forum where he has been doing the same?

  • Re : IJN SS5

    10. 14. 2011 22:43


GHHalley
When I posted this, I didn't realize we were days away from the SS5 release.

Now that I have seen the new subs, my complaint no longer stands --

1) Seen that all SS5s were nerfed at some levels -- I don't feel like the IJN was overtaken by other subs
2) SS was given 10 total TBs so it does have real TB firepower. I was expecting only a couple

Assuming we get a SS6, I like Baker's ideas -- well at least the first and third. I have no real desire for the 401. Also, I think the mini-sub idea would need to be worked on. Great suggestions.

Again, sorry NF for complaining before I knew the facts. You have some great options for SS6's, can't wait to see them when they come out. Thanks again for the game.

  • Re : IJN SS5

    10. 15. 2011 05:36


Baker654
Originally Posted by GHHalley

When I posted this, I didn't realize we were days away from the SS5 release.

Now that I have seen the new subs, my complaint no longer stands --

1) Seen that all SS5s were nerfed at some levels -- I don't feel like the IJN was overtaken by other subs
2) SS was given 10 total TBs so it does have real TB firepower. I was expecting only a couple

Assuming we get a SS6, I like Baker's ideas -- well at least the first and third. I have no real desire for the 401. Also, I think the mini-sub idea would need to be worked on. Great suggestions.

Again, sorry NF for complaining before I knew the facts. You have some great options for SS6's, can't wait to see them when they come out. Thanks again for the game.


Whats not to like about the I-400 it sounds awesome, I thank you like the other ones

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