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Tier 5 Scout Ninja Nerf
12. 22. 2011 12:33
Eufonioum
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Dear NF Community,
It is to my knowledge that the near-AAW immunity of the T5 scout no longer exists. I just placed my USN T5 scout at 30 altitude and 2 inches away from a Maryland, it goes shotdown. In another game, I put it at 45 altitude and 3 inches away from a HINDENBURG, down it goes once again.
SDE, care to explain about this ninja nerf?
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Re : Tier 5 Scout Ninja Nerf
12. 22. 2011 23:41
Eufonioum
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Originally Posted by Falcon91
Clarifying.
Lj said this "the ship has an affect on the AWW"
What he meant by that is this.
Per say example the Sodak Highest AAW player playable ship
Sodak can nuke planes like no tomorrow great ship for it.
So say this, you go against a ship that has a crew with high AAW stats. That intern gets multiplied by the ships base AAW stats and factors in, so it'd be like this for a BB5.
A = ships AAW
B = Total AAW
13 * A = B
I thought AAW ability was disabled, did they reenable it?!?! Also, in the video, I sent my scout forth to a Test Mission Renown and Nevada. It got PWNED. I tried again with the same scout, using the same scout plane on the Nebraska and the Pensacola, I could put it at 0 altitude and it would take maybe 30 seconds for it to go down.
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Re : Tier 5 Scout Ninja Nerf
12. 23. 2011 03:09
ljsevern
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Four things:-
One; the ship you launch a plane from affects ability. We currently do not know what stat does it, but we know it does.
Two; The Ships AAW ability is active. It is just the sailors that is disabled.
Three; The fire from ships AAW wise is the same fire from fighters. DP for a plane = Health, and AP Defence is resistance to this fire.
Four; Those test mission ships are not the same as normal ships.
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Re : Tier 5 Scout Ninja Nerf
12. 23. 2011 03:23
badone1960
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firez ive played cv for around 5 yrs now it has always been if ur ftrs lock on to any plane they get a silly speed boost best way to describe so if they are close to ur scout T4 can catch up
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Re : Tier 5 Scout Ninja Nerf
12. 23. 2011 05:18
SylverXI
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Originally Posted by ljsevern
Four things:-
One; the ship you launch a plane from affects ability. We currently do not know what stat does it, but we know it does.
O really? wrong again, on some ships, the "scout" ability itself which is responsible for the "AAW resistance" was disabled. Which is why I myself agree it is a ninja patch or a bug. I played sevas about 1 month ago and it did not effect the scouts in any way. Don't pretend to know things. Also, this "bug" was ninja fixed for the surcouf already. Tested it on the sevas, and was also fixed there today. How do I know the scout ability is disabled? well, because a KM T4 scout managed to take 5 shots of my T5 scout launced from my surcouf and still not die at the time I made the vid. This means both defense and offense was lowered drastically when put on the surcouf(felt like I had a skeleton scout). This was ninja fixed already. The problem presented itself about 2-3 weeks after that the SS5 was introduced. I know this because I used scouts on surcouf at 0 altitude after the SS5's were introduced and it was fine. Also, a scout with high "scout" ability and in a plane with high "AP defence" is not suppose to get shot down at altitude 70-80 by any ship(not even T2/T4 scouts get shot down by sodak at this altitude). Now we find out, this bug also effects sevas which was fixed too already. So no, ships don't really effect the "aaw resistance" of the scout it's using. A ship can disable the ability on pilots though(which is a bug). The AAW a ship has, will only have an impact on the scouts of the enemy.
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Re : Tier 5 Scout Ninja Nerf
12. 23. 2011 05:31
flaggelant
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he's right there.
i sometimes get my lvl115+ ebve FIGHTERS (classed immidiatly, 109 vet) aaw-ed at 0 alt when i launch it from a mogami hybrid, whilst flying it from any of my cv's (dont have any below kaga1 in the dock atm) i cant be bothered with aaw.
proof? dont have any, cant be bothered to supply it, its just something i observed during gameplay
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Re : Tier 5 Scout Ninja Nerf
12. 23. 2011 06:30
SnickersJSOC
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Ghosted Level 120 Scout or Standard vets/experts? If its ghosted, then it will succumb to auto aa if it got too near faster than a scout that has standard vets/experts (100-109, full experts)
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Re : Tier 5 Scout Ninja Nerf
12. 23. 2011 06:45
heatrr
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Originally Posted by SylverXI
Originally Posted by ljsevern
There hasn't been a ninja nerf. AAW resistance is determined by pilot ability (In this case the scout), and AP Defence. Not sure why your T5 scout was by a PCV anyway, what with the awesome speed and sight range.
You have proof? It is a fact that the AAW resistance is nerfed in SS5's. I wouldn't be suprised if they changed for other ships too. A vid included in a Ticket I sent a month ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMAa04ffkz4
What the frak does SS5 have to do with T5 SCOUTS?!
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Re : Tier 5 Scout Ninja Nerf
12. 23. 2011 06:55
SylverXI
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Originally Posted by heatrr
Originally Posted by SylverXI
Originally Posted by ljsevern
There hasn't been a ninja nerf. AAW resistance is determined by pilot ability (In this case the scout), and AP Defence. Not sure why your T5 scout was by a PCV anyway, what with the awesome speed and sight range.
You have proof? It is a fact that the AAW resistance is nerfed in SS5's. I wouldn't be suprised if they changed for other ships too. A vid included in a Ticket I sent a month ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMAa04ffkz4
What the frak does SS5 have to do with T5 SCOUTS?!
In case you haven't noticed, some SS5 can launch scouts. LOL
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Re : Tier 5 Scout Ninja Nerf
12. 23. 2011 09:47
ljsevern
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Originally Posted by SylverXI
Originally Posted by ljsevern
Four things:-
One; the ship you launch a plane from affects ability. We currently do not know what stat does it, but we know it does.
O really? wrong again, on some ships, the "scout" ability itself which is responsible for the "AAW resistance" was disabled. Which is why I myself agree it is a ninja patch or a bug. I played sevas about 1 month ago and it did not effect the scouts in any way. Don't pretend to know things. Also, this "bug" was ninja fixed for the surcouf already. Tested it on the sevas, and was also fixed there today. How do I know the scout ability is disabled? well, because a KM T4 scout managed to take 5 shots of my T5 scout launced from my surcouf and still not die at the time I made the vid. This means both defense and offense was lowered drastically when put on the surcouf(felt like I had a skeleton scout). This was ninja fixed already. The problem presented itself about 2-3 weeks after that the SS5 was introduced. I know this because I used scouts on surcouf at 0 altitude after the SS5's were introduced and it was fine. Also, a scout with high "scout" ability and in a plane with high "AP defence" is not suppose to get shot down at altitude 70-80 by any ship(not even T2/T4 scouts get shot down by sodak at this altitude). Now we find out, this bug also effects sevas which was fixed too already. So no, ships don't really effect the "aaw resistance" of the scout it's using. A ship can disable the ability on pilots though(which is a bug). The AAW a ship has, will only have an impact on the scouts of the enemy.
Erm, how am I wrong? I have said a ship can affect the plane. You are saying that it can because it turns off a scouts ability. Do you have proof that it is that? Please get some, that would be an interesting development. I have never claimed it is something else, I have said myself that we don't know what does it. Please learn to read my post. And furthermore, AAW resistance is from AP defense and pilot ability. I have not been wrong in any of my posts. If you want to do tests and teach the community, tell people about it. I'm all about helping the community. I have not claimed anything against your post here at all, so I'm not sure how I am wrong in saying that I don't know what does it. Maybe (again this is just a theory), this is remnants from the previous aircraft system where the aircraft ability was turned off, and they used the fighter stat for offense and bomber stat for defense.
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Re : Tier 5 Scout Ninja Nerf
12. 23. 2011 09:48
ljsevern
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Originally Posted by badone1960
firez ive played cv for around 5 yrs now it has always been if ur ftrs lock on to any plane they get a silly speed boost best way to describe so if they are close to ur scout T4 can catch up
Confirming this; There is some sort of "Lock on multiplier" or separate lock on speed, but its a hidden value. There is also a separate returning speed (e.g. fighters will catch my T5 scout if i return it with the return button, but not if I manually bring it back and click return at the last second).
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