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  • Dont bother going SN now !!

    07. 21. 2011 06:07


cello1
The SN fleet was adveratised as a fleet with range ... the patch has just removed that making it a complete waste of time.
Basicly it has been a scam over the past 6 mounths to get ppl to buy into a fleet that was going nowhere !  The guns now at the Stalin lvl
are so nerfed thay are a joke ... befor the lvl89 12" guns had more range than the lvl 91 16" so why didnt you just revers the 2 giving the 16" @ lvl 91 the 12" range & backed off the 12" @lvl 89 to the 16" range.
Obviously this was to simple for SDE to comprehend ... now it seems the whole fleet is under ranged ... I m getting out ranged by  RN Lion 1 same BB4 lvl which is sup to be the lowest range due to the big armor.
This is not a balance its a farce .... & still the SS's run around with overpowered percution damage unnerfed  .. what a joke  ( If it works dont fix it { the SS dont work in balance } .. Just save your money DONT go SN & buy any
of the premiums they are a waste of a grind to get to ships that are a waste of time !!!!!!

 

  • Re : Dont bother going SN now !!

    07. 22. 2011 18:55


Ninjagumby
Originally Posted by COAESystems

After tweaking with SN again, I hope the changes will be:

Stalingrad revert to older ship/guns, either remove 12'' or make 12'' level 91 with 16'' level 89.
Soyuz 100 guns just less than H44 range, 110 guns keep as montana range

Then at least nothing is OP, with the ships ok to play.


no

16in needs to be reduced to yammy/h39 range as they are similar and 12 in either needs a slight range buff or damage buff. just enough to make it so they can accually be any use at all. agreed on soyuz 100 range but 110 guns need slightly more range than monty otherwise that just makes the ship a poor mans monty.

  • Re : Dont bother going SN now !!

    07. 22. 2011 22:55


ljsevern
Originally Posted by darkWolfCZ

Originally Posted by ljsevern

The designated guns for the BB4 were the 16" guns. The 12" were nerfed accordingly.

The national traits are 2nd best range, high angle, average salvo damage, low speed and poor turning. I suggest you learn to play and learn game balance.


ehm, no, 12" were designated guns for Stalingrad too...long range, weak dmg, great accuracy, compared to high dmg, short range, worse accuracy 16"...

there are nation traits and nation traits, there is for example KM, which is supposed to have long range, weak guns and fast ships, or high power slower fighters(ups...vanished in time) and go on...and on...and on...no kidding or jokes please...and sorry, you know pretty much nothing about game balance, just as Obst and everyone else who tends to think he knows and fucking up this game last 3 years and getting credits for "oh my god hes wasting his own time trying to balance this game"...no way...


Ehm nope. The 16" were made the designated guns. Angus decided to overpower the previous 12".

KM is not meant to have fast ships. They have long overheat time.

KM still have higher attack fighters (or will have after the aircraft patch), but weaknesses in other area's.

I'm still wondering who has got on your account, because you are talking like a certain someone...

  • Re : Dont bother going SN now !!

    07. 22. 2011 23:07


ljsevern
Originally Posted by SHLYUPKIN

Originally Posted by meangreen35

As I said "I suppose if SN was released before MN it would be an opposite scenario as more ppl would have that nation". So who did all the crying about SN before this epic nerf? I remember it was the IM BB3 right? =P Like I said WHO CARES ABOUT THE BB3. If it wasn't ready don't release it. You could have just nerfed the bb3 and all the those OTHER cry babies would have stoped but no lets nerf all the SN ship and buff all there MN so they wont cry. Lets point the finger where it belongs. Or call us cry babies for not being happy about these horrid SN nerfs, I know every single one of you would also. If you had the crew it effected.

+++++1001 only the IM was supposed to be nerfed!


No, there were alot of other things that needed nerfs, especially in the submergence and turning department.

  • Re : Dont bother going SN now !!

    07. 22. 2011 23:09


ljsevern
Originally Posted by bluesaint

sn bb6 max speed: 35 (WHAT IS THIS?) (JOKE?!)

the last patch was a terrible bad result for sn...


NERF MN BB6....


SN BB6 speed was not changed. The MN BB6 has far less range and little armour penetration. Furthermore, it has the least DP/Survivability, and the biggest hitbox.

  • Re : Dont bother going SN now !!

    07. 22. 2011 23:09


ljsevern
Originally Posted by chivalry1978

agree blue...btw considering the french's best ship in reality of ww2 was the stras i find it hard to believe they would get such an op ship....oh and wasnt that ship sunk by english...rofl...

but seriously french are way to op and need nerf stick like some massive armor reduction and speed reduction on the bb6


Nope.

  • Re : Dont bother going SN now !!

    07. 22. 2011 23:11


ljsevern
Originally Posted by chivalry1978

lol I have been playing this on korean, eu and na since about 03 I remember when if you crossed as ship you both blew up.....do you lj....

again you flame....

I know how to play, I know how to win and I know if you came to nebby I would own you all day long. however I also know if you did everyone would want to take you out.....

hey there is an even have lj run around in random matches and who ever takes him out gets a prize pack of cool things....

and rehor and lj do either of you have a sn ship in the real server?


Doesn't matter if I remember what. You clearly don't know about game balance. And yes, I do have an SN crew. Only in the 80's due to my work on events and the test server.

Feel free to come over to Nebby and "Own me all day long" if you so can lol.

  • Re : Dont bother going SN now !!

    07. 23. 2011 01:04


CptBlaubaer
After some hesitation, and I try to resolve the patched things I Came here on NA after 6 years to stop. This patch is a kick in the ass to all the loyal players who nichtnur the number of ships / crew has been rendered unusable by only four would-be dictators, the worst in my eyes, with the credits and points

Thank you for this crap

  • Re : Dont bother going SN now !!

    07. 23. 2011 01:19


ljsevern
Originally Posted by CptBlaubaer

After some hesitation, and I try to resolve the patched things I Came here on NA after 6 years to stop. This patch is a kick in the ass to all the loyal players who nichtnur the number of ships / crew has been rendered unusable by only four would-be dictators, the worst in my eyes, with the credits and points

Thank you for this crap


Erm, lol?

  • Re : Dont bother going SN now !!

    07. 23. 2011 01:41


SylverXI
SN is one nation it seems the test team has no idea what to do with it.

I have seen many mixed suggestions which resulted in this mess. People blaming eachother simply because they had diffrent points of view on how the SN nation should be. The result is this mess of a nation.

I played SN up to the BB5, and I have all other nations up to BB6. The SN is not the kind of nation I would call fun, in terms of FUN I would rate MN as the funnest and IJN as the nation with limitless possibilities, UK is monotone, but fun because of it's ability to just crush everthing in it's path and US as a overall good rate of fun. KM is fun only after you get the BB6 because of it's fast, low firepower, good range BB's.

For SN, it's prety boring gameplay. From BB1->BB3 it's fairly OK. (even IM was ok in everything but the high "submergence value" or "low dissplacement" issue)

The BB4, was weird. In my opinion it was perfectly well balanced for GB but, slightly overpowered for BB rooms with the 12" guns. So it only needed a small adjustment in range department for the 12", instead of the major range nerf.

The 16" guns, although well balanced, it did not meet the intended way the SN BB4 should be played. So they messed around with it, and it's currently broken. Hopefully will get fixed soon.

The SN BB5 is the most boring BB5 I have ever driven. It's like an armored BB with range but without the armor. Had high submergence value although it did not effect balance as much. In GB it wasn't the best nor overpowered both playing against it, and playing with it. It's also the hardest BB5 to dodge DB's and TB's.

It's weaknesses are pretty obvious making it pretty much absolete against a true great player. Now it's broken as hell having the lowest speed, low turning rate, bad survivability, low range, low gun reload, below average damage output, average AA battery. Basically a range-less sitting fragile duck.

Hopefully it will get the range AND good shell damage it should have gotten before instead of people refusing to accept the national traits and still nerf basically everything else.

The same way, UK can receive the monopoly in being the only nation for armor viable, and MN as the fastest, SN should receive the range and firepower it deserves.

Look at KM for example, some believe a fast long range ship is overpowered some believe a slow low firepower ship is underpowered. You buff the 1 thing that won't make it overpowered but, keep it from becoming underpowered or overpowered.

So yes, unless SN is fixed, it's not worth the grind.

  • Re : Dont bother going SN now !!

    07. 23. 2011 01:53


ljsevern
Originally Posted by SylverXI

SN is one nation it seems the test team has no idea what to do with it.

I have seen many mixed suggestions which resulted in this mess. People blaming eachother simply because they had diffrent points of view on how the SN nation should be. The result is this mess of a nation.

I played SN up to the BB5, and I have all other nations up to BB6. The SN is not the kind of nation I would call fun, in terms of FUN I would rate MN as the funnest and IJN as the nation with limitless possibilities, UK is monotone, but fun because of it's ability to just crush everthing in it's path and US as a overall good rate of fun. KM is fun only after you get the BB6 because of it's fast, low firepower, good range BB's.

For SN, it's prety boring gameplay. From BB1->BB3 it's fairly OK. (even IM was ok in everything but the high "submergence value" or "low dissplacement" issue)

The BB4, was weird. In my opinion it was perfectly well balanced for GB but, slightly overpowered for BB rooms with the 12" guns. So it only needed a small adjustment in range department for the 12", instead of the major range nerf.

The 16" guns, although well balanced, it did not meet the intended way the SN BB4 should be played. So they messed around with it, and it's currently broken. Hopefully will get fixed soon.

The SN BB5 is the most boring BB5 I have ever driven. It's like an armored BB with range but without the armor. Had high submergence value although it did not effect balance as much. In GB it wasn't the best nor overpowered both playing against it, and playing with it. It's also the hardest BB5 to dodge DB's and TB's.

It's weaknesses are pretty obvious making it pretty much absolete against a true great player. Now it's broken as hell having the lowest speed, low turning rate, bad survivability, low range, low gun reload, below average damage output, average AA battery. Basically a range-less sitting fragile duck.

Hopefully it will get the range AND good shell damage it should have gotten before instead of people refusing to accept the national traits and still nerf basically everything else.

The same way, UK can receive the monopoly in being the only nation for armor viable, and MN as the fastest, SN should receive the range and firepower it deserves.

Look at KM for example, some believe a fast long range ship is overpowered some believe a slow low firepower ship is underpowered. You buff the 1 thing that won't make it overpowered but, keep it from becoming underpowered or overpowered.

So yes, unless SN is fixed, it's not worth the grind.


After watching Estrelle dominate rooms with his SN BB5 in the BB5 tournament, I would disagree with your BB5 review. The national traits are range and average salvo damage; Any more than that would be overpowered...

I do agree however, in the nations with average firepower, it should be on the higher end (e.g. with the BB6's it should be KM<
The main problem was someone putting forward changes and taking the lead when he didn't know what he was doing. You should know by now Sylver that I am here to balance all nations, and that I do aim to be fair when doing so. I am not happy with how this patch turned out, and we all know who is to blame for that.

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