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  • 5/1/13 Official Test Team Patch Overview

    05. 01. 2013 13:08


Benser33

5/1/2013 PATCH NOTES <-- Link


Ship Tuning Balance and Design

I'm making this thread on behalf of the test team to take a moment to explain the various ship tuning components and other related changes that have occurred in the above patch, as well as some of the reasoning behind these changes.

The team who worked to bring this together were nyerkovic, ljsevern, Rehor, Farazelleth, BBR_InsUW, richardphat, GrieferLord and myself.

I would like to begin with what is most important, players should realize that this system is still very new and this system will be monitored closely to see the effects on the live server and there may be some changes requested in the future to correct bugs and fix any exploits or unforeseen effects.

 

Read on for information regarding many of the changes made in the v1.369 patch, as the second post of page 1 of this thread.  

 

  • Re : 5/1/13 Official Test Team Patch Overview

    05. 01. 2013 15:43


Benser33

Originally Posted by AdmSevicson

Nice explanation and although I can follow with the displacement I can't believe why you needed to add extra 2 knts to that thing... But I guess it's tested...lol. 


The added speed is countered by the extra weight, so the speed is actually the same in the end.

  • Re : 5/1/13 Official Test Team Patch Overview

    05. 01. 2013 15:43


Benser33

Originally Posted by SeaKumag

Originally Posted by Benser33


Damage done to tuned ships by untuned ships is worth 10% more exp than damage done to other ships.


Will shooting down tuned aircraft using untuned aaw/fighters give more exp/credits?

Honestly, I'm not sure. Sorry.

  • Re : 5/1/13 Official Test Team Patch Overview

    05. 01. 2013 15:50


mako089

Gotta ask once again.  Nerf the FF fcs yet it gets no tuning items? 

  • Re : 5/1/13 Official Test Team Patch Overview

    05. 01. 2013 15:52


AdmSevicson

Originally Posted by mako089

Gotta ask once again.  Nerf the FF fcs yet it gets no tuning items? 



lol good point, also the fightercvs and aa ships can't benefit from the 10% bonus although they also get affected with the tune components.

  • Re : 5/1/13 Official Test Team Patch Overview

    05. 01. 2013 15:58


AUST_DEVINE

after all the anger (rightly so) and hype and crazyness of the new tuning system, i can say that after the test teams work and adjustments its at a stage i can actually stomach it and can live with it.  nice work and explanation.

  • Re : 5/1/13 Official Test Team Patch Overview

    05. 01. 2013 16:06


Benser33

Originally Posted by mako089

Gotta ask once again.  Nerf the FF fcs yet it gets no tuning items? 

Well this is true, although, a tuned FF FCS when not balanced would be better than the DD aiming one...

 

Originally Posted by AUST_DEVINE

after all the anger (rightly so) and hype and crazyness of the new tuning system, i can say that after the test teams work and adjustments its at a stage i can actually stomach it and can live with it.  nice work and explanation.

I'm glad the effort we all put in alleviated some concerns of at least one person.

  • Re : 5/1/13 Official Test Team Patch Overview

    05. 01. 2013 17:19


mako089

Originally Posted by Benser33

Originally Posted by mako089

Gotta ask once again.  Nerf the FF fcs yet it gets no tuning items? 

Well this is true, although, a tuned FF FCS when not balanced would be better than the DD aiming one...

 

It just looks stupid that the lowest class ships get nothing.

And really?  You're going to bring the integrity of balance into this?  and on top of everything for an FF FCS.

But also keep in mind something - you said a tuned FF FCS.  FF DON'T get any tuning items + they are receiving a nerf.

Don't do the SDE dance - just agree.  For those of us who have held onto neut crews for years it's quite insulting.

  • Re : 5/1/13 Official Test Team Patch Overview

    05. 01. 2013 17:26


Benser33

Originally Posted by mako089

Originally Posted by Benser33

Well this is true, although, a tuned FF FCS when not balanced would be better than the DD aiming one...

But also keep in mind something - you said a tuned FF FCS.  FF DON'T get any tuning items + they are receiving a nerf.

I admit, FF FCS shouldnt have been changed. It was me personally that added that to the list of changes and I will get it corrected next patch. I thoughtlessly corrected ALL CA and lower FCSs without bearing in mind that FF couldn't use tuning components, I'm sorry.

 

However, neut DDs can also use the FF FCS with the tuning component, which would have been better than their own FCS. But that is being pretty pedantic and I agree, FF should have been left alone. Also, Aiming FCSs weren't affected, only Auto ones, Aiming is the same as always.

  • Re : 5/1/13 Official Test Team Patch Overview

    05. 01. 2013 20:46


mako089

So we are drawing the line at DD FCS?  I don't think people are going to be as upset about that as they are about tuning in general.

If FFs were allowed to have at least 1 tuning item while throwing off the FCS for the lower tier dds, I don't think anyone is going to care.  There are far bigger issues that would complicate balance than the FCS on FFs/DDs.  If we're really that worried about DDs I think we could compile pages of balance issues.

And don't take things personally ~ I know you're just working with what you are given.

  • Re : 5/1/13 Official Test Team Patch Overview

    05. 01. 2013 21:30


Benser33

Originally Posted by mako089

So we are drawing the line at DD FCS?  I don't think people are going to be as upset about that as they are about tuning in general.

If FFs were allowed to have at least 1 tuning item while throwing off the FCS for the lower tier dds, I don't think anyone is going to care.  There are far bigger issues that would complicate balance than the FCS on FFs/DDs.  If we're really that worried about DDs I think we could compile pages of balance issues.

And don't take things personally ~ I know you're just working with what you are given.

While I can't say anything about potentially giving FFs a tuning slot (which I think they don't have just to ease the experience of new players a little, since those are the people that use FFs the most) I can at least get the FF FCSs changed back, since after a quick review it can be done without any damage.

 

And I can take it personally, because it was me personally who came up with the idea of nerfing all the DD/CL/CA FCSs so that the Auto FCS Acc part would work without any Autos overtaking Aiming FCSs and I'm the one who compiled the entire list of FCS changes, so it literally was my mistake. I was thoughtless and I'm sorry, I shouldn't be causing any stupid issues like this. I'll remember it to get it fixed soon as it can be.

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