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  • 5/1/13 Official Test Team Patch Overview

    05. 01. 2013 13:08


Benser33

5/1/2013 PATCH NOTES <-- Link


Ship Tuning Balance and Design

I'm making this thread on behalf of the test team to take a moment to explain the various ship tuning components and other related changes that have occurred in the above patch, as well as some of the reasoning behind these changes.

The team who worked to bring this together were nyerkovic, ljsevern, Rehor, Farazelleth, BBR_InsUW, richardphat, GrieferLord and myself.

I would like to begin with what is most important, players should realize that this system is still very new and this system will be monitored closely to see the effects on the live server and there may be some changes requested in the future to correct bugs and fix any exploits or unforeseen effects.

 

Read on for information regarding many of the changes made in the v1.369 patch, as the second post of page 1 of this thread.  

 

  • Re : 5/1/13 Official Test Team Patch Overview

    05. 03. 2013 04:34


Kilaenots

Originally Posted by Ruza_CZ

Then if I remove 20 rokies per sailor THEN I AKS WHY HAVE L2 14 SLOTS WHAN I MAY TO USE ONLY 13. WHY I MUST LOOK ON EMPTY SAILOR SPACE. PLEASE TELL ME HOW MANY ROKIES YOU NEED TO REMOVE FOR OTHER BB5 SETUPS ?

I THING NONE. THEN WHY ONLY ONE AW BB5 MUST ?

And dot forget all other BB5 cost only 4.5M, not 14.5M.

OR I Can remove all Rokies Expert an VETS to put even more armor. But I thing this is not standart AW setup.

If pople so hates AW why dot remove ALL armor from game, when AW BB5 is OP.(I thing it it less usefull the SW)but why lose Game variability ? (Sub will kill you in 4 torpedos).

How many other BB5 have viable 2nd set ups? 1 - 2gun SW Alsace

How many other BB5 can fit 14 sailors on it? 0

So the cost for running a 2 gun AW L2 is that you can remove some rookies or (I tried with mine) fit 10 inch deck with a fully 120 crew only the second gunner and 1 crew member missing - compare this to other bb5 it would be just the gunner missing as they only have 13 slots.

I don't even know why I looked at this because 3 gun L2 >>> AW L2 anyway

  • Re : 5/1/13 Official Test Team Patch Overview

    05. 03. 2013 04:35


EricIdle

Originally Posted by Ruza_CZ

Then if I remove 20 rokies per sailor THEN I AKS WHY HAVE L2 14 SLOTS WHAN I MAY TO USE ONLY 13. WHY I MUST LOOK ON EMPTY SAILOR SPACE. PLEASE TELL ME HOW MANY ROKIES YOU NEED TO REMOVE FOR OTHER BB5 SETUPS ?

I THING NONE. THEN WHY ONLY ONE AW BB5 MUST ?

And dot forget all other BB5 cost only 4.5M, not 14.5M.

OR I Can remove all Rokies Expert an VETS to put even more armor. But I thing this is not standart AW setup.

If pople so hates AW why dot remove ALL armor from game, when AW BB5 is OP.(I thing it it less usefull the SW)but why lose Game variability ? (Sub will kill you in 4 torpedos).

In your case, shouting definitely seems easier than thinking Okay

If you remove 20 rookies from each sailor, you can keep all 14. And you shouldn't compare the L2 to other BB5 as you do - only the L2 can AW.

 

@kilaenots: you beat me to it... :)

  • Re : 5/1/13 Official Test Team Patch Overview

    05. 03. 2013 11:57


Ruza_CZ

Originally Posted by EricIdle

Originally Posted by Ruza_CZ

Then if I remove 20 rokies per sailor THEN I AKS WHY HAVE L2 14 SLOTS WHAN I MAY TO USE ONLY 13. WHY I MUST LOOK ON EMPTY SAILOR SPACE. PLEASE TELL ME HOW MANY ROKIES YOU NEED TO REMOVE FOR OTHER BB5 SETUPS ?

I THING NONE. THEN WHY ONLY ONE AW BB5 MUST ?

And dot forget all other BB5 cost only 4.5M, not 14.5M.

OR I Can remove all Rokies Expert an VETS to put even more armor. But I thing this is not standart AW setup.

If pople so hates AW why dot remove ALL armor from game, when AW BB5 is OP.(I thing it it less usefull the SW)but why lose Game variability ? (Sub will kill you in 4 torpedos).

In your case, shouting definitely seems easier than thinking Okay

If you remove 20 rookies from each sailor, you can keep all 14. And you shouldn't compare the L2 to other BB5 as you do - only the L2 can AW.

 

@kilaenots: you beat me to it... :)

Hmm to say opinon taht thy say that L2 is better to fit 120LVL crev and there sometghing different. The difference is AW is forbiden for 120lvl. And L2 WAS only one AW BB5 in NF.

If you thing that we dont need difference then the bets is kill 6 natiion and vote for only ONE.

Main proble is you your pople you are very lazy to use AP and HE and you want to kill ALL AW ship beeing usabe without gratest sacrifice on that ship.

  • Re : 5/1/13 Official Test Team Patch Overview

    05. 03. 2013 12:11


Ruza_CZ

Originally Posted by Kilaenots

Originally Posted by Ruza_CZ

Then if I remove 20 rokies per sailor THEN I AKS WHY HAVE L2 14 SLOTS WHAN I MAY TO USE ONLY 13. WHY I MUST LOOK ON EMPTY SAILOR SPACE. PLEASE TELL ME HOW MANY ROKIES YOU NEED TO REMOVE FOR OTHER BB5 SETUPS ?

I THING NONE. THEN WHY ONLY ONE AW BB5 MUST ?

And dot forget all other BB5 cost only 4.5M, not 14.5M.

OR I Can remove all Rokies Expert an VETS to put even more armor. But I thing this is not standart AW setup.

If pople so hates AW why dot remove ALL armor from game, when AW BB5 is OP.(I thing it it less usefull the SW)but why lose Game variability ? (Sub will kill you in 4 torpedos).

How many other BB5 have viable 2nd set ups? 1 - 2gun SW Alsace

How many other BB5 can fit 14 sailors on it? 0

So the cost for running a 2 gun AW L2 is that you can remove some rookies or (I tried with mine) fit 10 inch deck with a fully 120 crew only the second gunner and 1 crew member missing - compare this to other bb5 it would be just the gunner missing as they only have 13 slots.

I don't even know why I looked at this because 3 gun L2 >>> AW L2 anyway

+1 suport sailor on BB is nation trait of UK it is same to have 12 sailors on rest BB5.

I understand to left some sailors on small ship but I dont thing that BB5 is low level ship.

  • Re : 5/1/13 Official Test Team Patch Overview

    05. 03. 2013 14:26


Kilaenots
What?

  • Re : 5/1/13 Official Test Team Patch Overview

    05. 03. 2013 16:50


Elliot2lazy

Normal rooms and tuning, do they work together, no where do i see does anyone have it mentioned.

  • Re : 5/1/13 Official Test Team Patch Overview

    05. 03. 2013 18:20


Benser33

Originally Posted by Elliot2lazy

Normal rooms and tuning, do they work together, no where do i see does anyone have it mentioned.

Tuning works in all rooms but HA.

Normal, FW, trade, all but HA.

  • Re : 5/1/13 Official Test Team Patch Overview

    05. 04. 2013 00:56


Ruza_CZ

Originally Posted by Kilaenots
What?

To archive 23/39 on H44you need to remove one sailor ?

 

If yes the is all OK. If not There is something wrong in our state (NF).

 

And why kill only one AW BB5 ?

 

If you thing that is normal setup for AW to remove one or more sailor then I can AW Yammy or all another BB5 or BB4.

  • Re : 5/1/13 Official Test Team Patch Overview

    05. 04. 2013 01:03


Benser33

Originally Posted by Ruza_CZ

To archive 23/39 on H44you need to remove one sailor ?

If yes the is all OK. If not There is something wrong in our state (NF).

And why kill only one AW BB5 ?

If you thing that is normal setup for AW to remove one or more sailor then I can AW Yammy or all another BB5 or BB4.

Why is it you believe the L2 needs 9.5" of deck? I thought it could work with as little as 9.1" and the current set up can fit 9.2-9.3" depending on crew weight.

Ofc I could just be looking stupid, I actually know very little about armoring the L2, I've never owned one and dont know much about deck armor vs AP.

  • Re : 5/1/13 Official Test Team Patch Overview

    05. 04. 2013 06:05


Mouth
The changes to the L2 were to make it a little softer and to make a 120 crew fit better with a normal (3 gun) setup. If you take some rookies off or just take off 1 sailor you will be fine. I'm not sure why this is such a problem because the L2 already has 1 more support slot than all the other BB5s. I'm not sure why you think the L2 has some god given right to have 14 lvl 120 sailors full of rookies/experts/vets while still carrying 9.5" of deck. You have to make sacrifices to mount deck, and this is a small one.

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