"ps: dont lock plz... nf became boring enough with the 1 harbour rule.
at least there is some "interesting" threads on nf forums atm."

I'm glad I could make a thread worth replying to and thinking about at the very least.

@jhempsrt4

OK, I'll use this as an example. The rule states that fleets with atleast 30 members are
allowed to declare, what if a fleet with 10 members attacked and took the harbour? would
the same outcome have come? in that the fleet leader would be banned?

Also, why is the rehor account banned? which has NO attachment to the Network fleet? Or
any fleet for that matter. I've known many 'players' to be banned, only to jump onto one
of their alternate accounts that obviously wasn't banned as it was not in the same fleet.


:EDIT:

Also, read the rule that is being enforced:-
"You must have at least 30 members to declare harbor assault, having less than
this means you will have no chance of winning and will most likely lead to wasting
the defending fleets time."

It is ONLY mentioning wasting the defending fleets time, not a potential attackers.
Therefore, the rule is only for protection of DEFENDING fleet members, not attacking fleets.

Vick11 is enforcing a rule that is not a rule for what he is enforcing it for, hence the
communities obvious anger. I also find it funny that he is totally ignoring every post
apart from one posted by splid. Potentially seeing he is wrong/found out to be bias?

I'm sorry mav, but that sounds silly to me.

Hi, I'm Vick11. I'm just going to miss 2 pages worth of comments and just directly reply
back to Splid because I know I'm wrong.

Step down Vick.

-Edit-

Whos time did Rehor waste? KT? The fleet that cant hold a harbour? Do I honestly have to
make a list? Or a graph?!

if my fleetleader fails to declare at the right time.
i would so leave that fleet.


u hear war5? lol

ps: dont lock plz... nf became boring enough with the 1 harbour rule.
at least there is some "interesting" threads on nf forums atm.

I believe all the declarations were spoken for almost instantly clemo. This means
that because Rehor declared on that harbor the fleets that intended to declare a
harbor asualt were locked out because Rehor was a tad quicker.

There is time wasted, and there is dissapointment by members of fleets who wish to
play HA but can't because they keep missing declarations. And believe me, they are
trying to declare. Every sunday night fleet leaders stay up late or set their alarms
very early and click race to declare just to get the chance to play HA.

*You people cvompletely miss the reason for the rule.
We all know there is no way in all his greatness Rehor can not defend the Harbor he has
taken. The point of the rules was to prevent the waste of peoples time, now you have wasted an
entire week of a fleets time that could have declared on that Harbor and defended it. You
have also wasted the time of the other fleets that could have attacked a harbor with a true
defender. Now you have Rehor holding a harbor and the waste of time now needed to
declare and take the harbor by a true fleet.

SO did Rehor waste a fleets time ....Yes, a real fleet that could have taken that harbor and
start production
Did he waste the time of other fleets....Yes, those that would have declared on a real fleet
holding the harbor.
plus he has wasted the time of the fleet that now has to take it from him. *


Wrong. The point of the rule (which I have stated in another thread) is the prevent
defending fleets from having their PREM SUBSCRIPTION wasted by pointless attacks.

What you don't realize is with Networks declaration and occupation of London is that
London is a week behind the other harbours at the moment. Which means a small fleet which
only has 10 members could take the harbour, as compared to if BS took London.

rehor has not wasted a weeks worth of production for whomever could have attacked because
I can safetly assume that it most likely would have been KT that would have taken London.
KT would then have been attacked and most likely lost the harbour, although FAWK has
declared so maybe you could have held it as they only have 37 members. ALTHOUGH why didn't
KT declare this week? you could have declared and won a free harbour and a weeks worth of
production.

He has not wasted an attacking fleets time because they are winning a free harbour (even
if he was not banned) and a free weeks worth of production compared to if someone like
Jedi held it. Also, I would like to know how he has wasted a fleets time who has attacked
a completely different harbour? They have CHOSE to attack a different harbour. FAWK
declared on London before anyone else, therefore FAWK have (in your eyes) 'wasted a real
fleets time' by declaring first.

@Splid - must admit I completely missed that thread first time around in Jun 10. Thanks
for raising it to attention again, will have a look at the issues raised.

The thing is, this is, after all, just a game, not a police state. Of course we need rules
to prevent people from spoiling other peoples fun, but, we don't need punishments for
things like rehor did. And TNF is already overpolicing us, and quite often, out of
personal bias, punishing the wrong people.

I agree DJ, it isn't a perfect system. But that is why the mods are there, to make
these judgements and deal with them accordingly. Intent has to be interpreted or
admitted, it can never be proven, at least not without shit tons of evidence. If it
were easier, then everything would just be coded into the game and there would be
no rules. You just wouldn't be able to do what was against the rules. But, this isn't a
perfect world, this isn't a perfect game, this isn't a perfect community, and the mods
are not perfect either. We just have got to make the best of what we have available
to us.