Il reccomend

NY and MO guys, stop flaming each other. It is getting boring.

100 million would not and should not be the NY figure =.=, heck RS NY would not have the creds
to do it, even in a month. I doubt the whole could chalk it up given most BB6's
needed some degree of help.

if a small fleet really wants to do a HA, then couldnt they just pool 100m?
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100 mill in MO is about enough toget a good bb4 crew or a EBB +crew it's way more
than a small fleet can put together it would take us over a month of nuet selling and
crew lvling to get that amount and that's no fun.

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with that much effort put into it, 100mil should be easy to pool?
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same as above with a small fleet most players are still working on there first bb line
or have jsut started a cv line so we are realy limmited in our funds
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so, lets say this small fleet does take the harbor without the 100 mil, then this small
fleet must then again invest in the harbor, as its extreamly tempting to do that...

so, even if there isnt a 100mil involved, theres still tonns of $$$ going to the harbor,
100mil isnt that much if u can invest in rentals eh? (1mil per day)

i don't know how the investment on HA work other than it's a mill a day. we can
easly make this with out much of a problem thro fund raiseing and nuet selling but
geting a loseing a 100 mill or what ever the number may be for just wanting to play
is not right. i do agree that there should be a punishment for the fleets that declare
and don't even attempt.( the ban on the NY fleet for exsample is aproprate)
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what if u where the guy in the US, doing that tiny HA, chosen by your fleet that
time? i'd assume u'd think other wise..
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first off if i was in a fleet where the leader dicided that was a good idea i would leave
the fleet. second even if it is 3 am in the moring it meens the attackers got to get up
at that time too. so i assume that that HA was ment for the other people who play
here with that time zone.

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Obviously the state of your economies on your respective servers are different, and
different prices will need to be implemented. 100 million on AZ is not alot and won't
prevent small fleets from declaring if they want a proper game. What it will prevent
are
small fleets declaring on a harbour with no intention of taking it, just to waste time.
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as ive stated before if fleets don't have any intention on taking the HA and are just
fooling around then that should be looked into by the mods for possoble action.
im just saying that one or two small fleets should not ruin it for the rest of us they
should be delt with with a case by case look.

recc'd

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"i say let them suffer. they are so dumb as to choose the HA with the start
time of 3 A.M with a playerbase of 95% US players."

tl,dr with ^ I've seen the fail behind other posts.

Sry, too tempted to say it but Im not trying to offend you.

first off i am not offended you make logical points and i agree to the terms of this
debate.
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yay

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yes 100 mill would all but effectivly take out the small players. but as i stated before
this should not just be for big fleets. when we attack a HA with our small fleet we
have every intention of taking it. we do have a stratigy ( limited by our numbers)
as for fleets that just delclare with no real intention of attack i would point out that
the last fleet to do that got banned so i don't think this is a major issue.
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if a small fleet really wants to do a HA, then couldnt they just pool 100m?

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Im not agueing that the small fleet can't beat a big fleet all im saying is that small
fleets that have every intention of wining should be allow to grow as a fleet and
players by partisipating in HAs without bias. Each time we attack a habour we get
better and better as stated before we enjoy a challange even if it's improvable.

with that much effort put into it, 100mil should be easy to pool?

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Ha is not just for fleets that can hold an harbour. it is for every1 there is no place
that says a small to medium sized fleet can attempt to take a harbour. i see rentals
as more of a perk than a stratgy sure they are great in Ha but you need to be able
to take a HA with out rentals in the first place. Fleet wars and FL are not the same
thing as HA, we do partisipate in those things but we like to play HA we would not
do it if there wasn't a demand in our playerbase.
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so, lets say this small fleet does take the harbor without the 100 mil, then this small
fleet must then again invest in the harbor, as its extreamly tempting to do that...

so, even if there isnt a 100mil involved, theres still tonns of $$$ going to the harbor,
100mil isnt that much if u can invest in rentals eh? (1mil per day)

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i say let them suffer. they are so dumb as to choose the HA with the start
time of 3 A.M with a playerbase of 95% US players.
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what if u where the guy in the US, doing that tiny HA, chosen by your fleet that
time? i'd assume u'd think other wise..


The Debate is on.

@Random FG Failure

Stop whining. You lost HA, even when half the Jedi team crashed in the harbour tile. You
still couldn't take the harbour when trying to cheat. Go reporta more to your biased mod.


@Guys questioning the credit fee from NY and MO

Obviously the state of your economies on your respective servers are different, and
different prices will need to be implemented. 100 million on AZ is not alot and won't
prevent small fleets from declaring if they want a proper game. What it will prevent are
small fleets declaring on a harbour with no intention of taking it, just to waste time.

If this is if you take a port attack it at 5 in the morning and 95% of their fleet lives in
United States, it is your responsibility to all fleets have a right to a HA and as you
know and vote for the HA were again with all its pros and cons and SD is not perfect
until it has to be so that the smaller fleet also have their opportunity to play
because this is a game.

and if you are offended, lets make this into a debate and out-reason each other,
and not fight.
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first off i am not offended you make logical points and i agree to the terms of this
debate.
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if a fleet wants to do a HA, they should work for it, they could pool the money, and
as 100mil is alot, this would remove time wasting "fake"/really weak attacks, and
this would also show that the attacking fleet really wants the harbor/HA game,
instead of just poking a pinky at...lets say jedi fleet for example.
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yes 100 mill would all but effectivly take out the small players. but as i stated before
this should not just be for big fleets. when we attack a HA with our small fleet we
have every intention of taking it. we do have a stratigy ( limited by our numbers)
as for fleets that just delclare with no real intention of attack i would point out that
the last fleet to do that got banned so i don't think this is a major issue.
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new fleets wont stand a change agenst a HA capable fleet anyways, and if its a new
server, then the declaration fee could be lowered by a bit, but still remain as even
for a CV in a new server is very hard to get and needed to be pooled.
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Im not agueing that the small fleet can't beat a big fleet all im saying is that small
fleets that have every intention of wining should be allow to grow as a fleet and
players by partisipating in HAs without bias. Each time we attack a habour we get
better and better as stated before we enjoy a challange even if it's improvable.
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HA is a game mode for fleets that can actually attack and hold a harbor, thats why
theres such things as a monty rental, for fleets that can really hold a harbor for very
long, if they can't, what's the point of HA anyways? as theres FL and FWs smaller
fleets can participate in.
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Ha is not just for fleets that can hold an harbour. it is for every1 there is no place
that says a small to medium sized fleet can attempt to take a harbour. i see rentals
as more of a perk than a stratgy sure they are great in Ha but you need to be able
to take a HA with out rentals in the first place. Fleet wars and FL are not the same
thing as HA, we do partisipate in those things but we like to play HA we would not
do it if there wasn't a demand in our playerbase.
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lets say you and 95% of the players in your fleet lives in the US, and a tiny fleet is
attacking IJN, u'll need more then 5% of your fleet to be there even if the opposing
fleet is tiny, and that means someone has to wake up at 3am becuase a tiny fleet is
wasting your time.
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i say let them suffer. they are so dumb as to choose the HA with the start
time of 3 A.M with a playerbase of 95% US players.

ljsevern your getting your discusion :)

normally i dont flame people, but i really support this idea.

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first off why should HA be for only big fleets? why should small fleets be discuraged
from playing HA ? there is no good reson, people play to have fun small fleets may
want to play Ha just a big fleets do what right do big fleets have? becouse your
bigger and we don't have a chance meens we should not get a chance at all?
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if a fleet wants to do a HA, they should work for it, they could pool the money, and
as 100mil is alot, this would remove time wasting "fake"/really weak attacks, and
this would also show that the attacking fleet really wants the harbor/HA game,
instead of just poking a pinky at...lets say jedi fleet for example.

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at one time or another all fleets started small the only way fleets can grow is by
atracting members the way to get members is to do what people want.
Im in NFHP and most of us lov playing in the HA even if we have no chance it's fun.
we get bigger and bigger each month from players who want to play HA with us and
from players that like other members in NFHP. the only way NFHP will get big is by
attracting new players
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new fleets wont stand a change agenst a HA capable fleet anyways, and if its a new
server, then the declaration fee could be lowered by a bit, but still remain as even
for a CV in a new server is very hard to get and needed to be pooled.

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so by discuraging smaller fleets your steming the deversity of
fleets in this game. and don't give me that survial of the strongest crap. the more
diversity the better.
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HA is a game mode for fleets that can actually attack and hold a harbor, thats why
theres such things as a monty rental, for fleets that can really hold a harbor for very
long, if they can't, what's the point of HA anyways? as theres FL and FWs smaller
fleets can participate in.
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i have also played in BE vs a small fleet and i know that it can be fustrating to have
all these players with no real challange. but if you know that a small fleet is
attacking
why not simply have fewer people to play? if it's a challange your looking for just
have a similar size fleet.
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lets say you and 95% of the players in your fleet lives in the US, and a tiny fleet is
attacking IJN, u'll need more then 5% of your fleet to be there even if the opposing
fleet is tiny, and that means someone has to wake up at 3am becuase a tiny fleet is
wasting your time.

and if you are offended, lets make this into a debate and out-reason each other,
and not fight.