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  • False complaints = temporary ban for the complainer?

    05. 31. 2011 15:41

Starluck
Greetings,



I submit that any player that submits a complaint that is investigated by a
Moderator and the conclusion that the player doesnt know the rules should result in
a temporary ban to teach these people to read all the rules on game play and forum
posting.

My reasons why:

#1 I have been threatend by one game mod humping ships with my sub.

#2 I have been threated by one game mod for asserting that Fleet Team NF
players are consideredc a priority target and we enjoy sinking them.

#3 I have multiple players complain and threatend to have me banned every time
I hump a ship for air in my submarine. I am forced to defend myself and screen
capture the text chat exchange incase #1 and/or #2 happen again. Even mods
have to learn the rules. Precise/exact rules addressing every situation has not yet
been concluded and are under developement, but humping has been precisely
defined as legal any/which/way you can manage it.

#4 I notice that every time an issue regarding humping is brought up including the
use of border humping with planes and ships, the post get locked because the issue
has been settle years ago yet there is no effort or way to force every player to learn
and acknowledge all the rules resulting in false complaints which are sometimes
taken seriously by game mods.

#5 Players attempt to turn posts in to player bashing, or trying to go off topic.
There is a brand new set of rules the forum moderators must follow. These new
rules coorelated to the fact that players either dont know the rules or refuse to
follow them.

Question: Why should players whom follow all the rules undergo player bashing, in
game threats and harrasment simply because players dont know the rules. Its ok to
disagree with the rules, but not know the rules is no excuse to attack other players
regardless of which rules you disagree with this would include the follow:

BBs without Scouts
CVs without Fighters
Ships humping the borders
Aircraft humping the borders
BBs with smaller guns
Submarines humping ships without guns or HH to defend themselves
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  • Re : False complaints = temporary ban for the complainer?

    05. 31. 2011 19:17

anotherhour
lilitaly has good point a mod can be removed from power if they do that a past fleet of
mine did that best thing ever to watch

  • Re : False complaints = temporary ban for the complainer?

    05. 31. 2011 19:14

LILITALY5179
A little tidbit of information for players....
TNF is NOT under any circumstances allowed to threaten players and especially
threaten to ban them. If they do, screenshot it and report them.

  • Re : False complaints = temporary ban for the complainer?

    05. 31. 2011 18:30

nyerkovic
About the issue of false complaints = temporary ban, I say no.

The simple fact is that most people will never read the rules, but will always complain
about something they don't feel is right. Knowing this, you have to teach rules when
someone complaints while being wrong and banning is no form of teaching.

Game evolves and rules evolve with it... sometimes you need to create more rules or
delete others that have no use. People have to keep up to date with the latest rules
and this is also something that must be addressed through teaching... again,
banning is no form of teaching and also banning doesn't allow rules to evolve. If
people were banned for complaining about something they feel its wrong even
though rules allow it, real problems will never be addressed and solved.

In the end, you will always have people that complain and you will always have to
review every case so that you can teach what the rules are... its part of the learning
curve.

Finally... if people are complaining too much about your behavior, then maybe there
is something you are not doing right even though you are following the rules.

  • Re : False complaints = temporary ban for the complainer?

    05. 31. 2011 18:18

snoweman
Why don't you pop smoke and recharge air just like everyone else does?

  • Re : False complaints = temporary ban for the complainer?

    05. 31. 2011 18:13

Splid
"#2a More often then not teamate steals the kill leaving sub with no air in enemy
teritory dead meat

Players leeching my kills forced me to create the macro. There are times that im
humping a ship for air and teammate sinks enemey ship as well as TK's me. Should
that player not be punished for TK because leeching a kill away as long as you are
active moving about the map and pursing any enemey even if you never fired a
single shot prior to stealing the kill is a legal move."

Ever since I joined this game (and be aware that before the burning ships patch this was a
bigger issue) complaining about "killstealing" is poor form.

Complaining that others are taking kills is simply unrealistic. I will shoot any CV with
a sub humping it, in fact I will shoot any enemy where the chances of doing more good than
harm is high.

The important point here is that you think that humping a CV potentially putting at risk
every ship in the room on your team from bombers just to regain air and satisfy your own
attack scores is acceptable. I disagree.

  • Re : False complaints = temporary ban for the complainer?

    05. 31. 2011 18:04

ljsevern
Fact of the matter is Starluck, you say you never complain about players, yet here you are.

Just funny. And you have had more than one Macro in the past. Still doesn't stop you from
goading players when you are abusing the lack of collision detection in the game.

With regards to any other class; DD/FF/CL whatever, you shouldn't have let the ship get
there and do that.

But in a Sub? Please, the ships are overpowered as it is. Patch in that subs do not refill air
when they are touching another ship. The mere fact that you need to hump ships in a sub
says alot. Just get out of the way of the gunships that are firing at targets; We all know you
do it to cause people to TK you so you can get attention for yourself.

  • Re : False complaints = temporary ban for the complainer?

    05. 31. 2011 17:41

V2CxBongRipz
On NFEU the rule on humping CVs is that you cannot do it if you are preventing a teammate
from taking a shot. I agree with that rule and think it should be brought to NFNA.

  • Re : False complaints = temporary ban for the complainer?

    05. 31. 2011 17:33

Starluck
I have never in my life filed a complaint against anyone or any group of players. I
think your wrong and I dislike players shooting at me and my target that was hard
earned running the gauntlet of ships prior to finding a ship to hump for air. One
macro, and that macro has never been changed. Explaining that humping is legal
after being harrassed is not harrassment or I would have already been banned.

Every nut has a hole, keep on trying

  • Re : False complaints = temporary ban for the complainer?

    05. 31. 2011 17:29

ljsevern
Splid and V2 win the thread.

"I will comment upon any player who is using tactics and/or setups which are detrimental
to
playing the game such as:

BBs without Scouts
CVs without Fighters
Ships humping the borders
Aircraft humping the borders
BBs with smaller guns


There is free will to use whatever setups you wish, but there is also free will for me to
comment on why those setups are unsuitable :)

As for complaining about rules without knowing them, I agree. The problem is that ina lot
of situations TNF members
don't know the rules either and so they make them up as they go along... As for
humping ships in anything, it is hilarious and the tears of those who don't understand the
rules just adds to the entertainment..."

>>> Agree completely.

"Could it be not that you humped a player but taunted while humping?"

>>> I also agree, on the rare occasion he doesn't sink in the first minute, he starts
taunting people he is humping. Kinda hypocritical considering this thread.

If someone flames you, ignore them. Its simple. But Starluck loves his REPORTA.

  • Re : False complaints = temporary ban for the complainer?

    05. 31. 2011 17:26

Starluck
The topic at hand is what the title suggests which directly includes mods because
they are the ones that must follow-up on the complaints.

Question: Why should players whom follow all the rules undergo player bashing, in
game threats and harrasment simply because players dont know the rules. Its ok to
disagree with the rules, but not know the rules is no excuse to attack other players
regardless of which rules you disagree with this would include the follow:

BBs without Scouts
CVs without Fighters
Ships humping the borders
Aircraft humping the borders
BBs with smaller guns
Submarines humping ships without guns or HH to defend themselves

My personal issues were addressed and the appriopiate action was taken. I agree
with the action taken. The problem is that the problem and action taken is kept
secret forcing the problem to be repeated over and over. Not unlike the concern you
now need clearification on...
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