The solution really is simple. Make subs what they were historically. slow, stealthy killers. The idea that a BB6 is vulnerable to any SS is more about how the BB is played.

If you want to be a light maneuverable BB do so at your own risk. It might help you duck and dodge opposing deck guns but it makes you vulnerable to torps.

The truth is, BB's are their own worst enemies. they kill all the ASW classes trying to get easy XP and then complain that they're exposed.

Every Quarterback and Coach knows that you take car of your blockers.


While I'm ranting, whats this idea people have that a SS is essentially an underwater DD to be used to charge into the middle and get in a knife fight with other SS.

NO, the SS should be trying to get to the CV, BB classes. your DD, FF and CL boats should be busy looking for the SS not wandering off like lost children.

How have you guys been playing this game for YEARS and still not understanding the basics of strategy?

Go ahead, flame away. I'll be under water lining up my shots.

Oh, and here's a solution as well. get an escort that can do ASW
sheesh, whiners....

There are several other tactics to use to counter subs from a non-sub class. The most important is knowing the composition of the enemy at the start of the game, how many subs does the enemy have, what sub classes, rank and starting location. I always size up my enemy while waiting in the battle room, and with GB1, glancing over to the other side (that should be removed, as it is in GB2!!) and seeing where/who/what is coming at me in the beginning. I know who is packing HH, who have DC ramps on their decks or AA guns.

It's pretty easy to identify sonarmen on CLs....they're gold bars!

Knowlegdge is strength in this game. "Knowes't thou enemy before you go into battle!"

So are they scrapping subs from the game yet?

*oops im trolling*...:))

If an escort has sonar, can you see the sub?

The escort is no more or less brainless when countering a sub than it is when being used as bait.

Complaining about a constant value is pointless unless you have an agenda.

Imho the best solution would be to change the way torpedoes work. I'd suggest this:

1. replace current torpedoes with 2 new types. One weak type that explodes on contact and the other one that has to be set to to a target range.
2. torpedoes hitting on contact should be useless against anything using decent bulk and/or belt armor, i.e. high tier BBs. Also they should not explode at all if they dont hit anything. No more splash damage from those!
3. torpedos set for a range (think of it like setting an angle for BB guns) are meant to explode under the target ship. If they do they should cause damage alright. If they miss slightly they should give minor splash damage. If they miss entirely the sub commander is a noob.
4. change HH and DC, HH should only explode if they actually hit the submerged sub. DC should at least have a switch to select explosion depth, i.e. decide if you want them to explode at normal depth or critical depth. Pick the wrong depth and miss completely. Also using DC should give the ASW ship a short sonar blind moment to make it not so easy to tell how well he hit or how the sub tries to dodge.

Now with those 4 points changed both torpedo use and ASW usage would be much more challenging. Because of that torps and ASW should get decent personal attack like surface guns do. Many inapt players would wine a lot. But the game would be better.

Is that possible in this game anymore? I have no freaking idea...