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New "Eventual" Ships
09. 02. 2011 13:01
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RedNemo
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Again good evening....
As i see the BB/CV/SS problem is not solved yet.
What happens i my opinion is that most of the high levels BB have a long lifed crew that they use, they have grinded it and now they are the kings of GB.
Same for CVs.
And then came the SS, small ships who didnt required long grind since they stop in the lvl 70s they specialisationa and grind.
Since is too late to modify SS whitout a complete revolte of their users and actual grinders, I suggest an easy solution (so i hope).
Create a new type of Ships (like a normal ship-line) just that when you wuld go CA or BB you dont, you stay CL so you can use sonar.
The main problem in ASW is that all specialised ships are really low level ships, to use them you need a low level crew, when you go over a determainate level you wont get any exp from that game style, so whats the use of doing it?
to get player used to play a long term ASW wasrfare you must encourage people to use high level crews for that. Because when you are an experienced player a lvl 12 to 60 takes less than 2 weeks.
I am sure that if this is done they would need to improve the subs to make them competitive or sub player would need to get more tactics.
What do you think of that idea?
PS: I edited the thread title cause i realized it sounded like a complaining one. I hope this new one is more neutral
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Re : How to avoid SS to kill the game? are they really?
09. 02. 2011 14:15
aingeal
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Originally Posted by RedNemo
Originally Posted by aingeal
I do not believe it would work up to lvl 89 or so. Its a BB4 grind for something lvl 38 CLs can also do well.
Take any other non-capital ship endline, mainly the kita.
If it was too high level, nobody would bother grinding one. Its popular because its an easy enough grind and its a fun and unique playstyle.
Well yes, but what if the specialized ship is the only one able to detect silent SS? or maybe give them longer OH to use really properly the DC. In other hands thats true, but what if the ship was only a remodel to enable you to go on using while grindig other specialisation sailors? like use it while grinding pilots or similars? I was not thinking of a complete line, more a line you can use when you want to change playstyle, that way we could even have spot ships, that would help the poor blind (Scout pls whinners) BBs, by running among ennemy lines and make a mess of their lines of battle. I cant remember how often i did it with my emerald you have 5 BBs firing at you and loling you as a noob shile your BB6 oneshot them one after the other ^^
No matter, I believe the idea has potential, but it must not be a grind. As king suggested, various ECL that only need BO and levels and aint on the line would do nicely I think, and offer higher level support play for any ship-class crew, including BBs.
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Re : How to avoid SS to kill the game? are they really?
09. 02. 2011 14:23
RedNemo
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Originally Posted by aingeal
No matter, I believe the idea has potential, but it must not be a grind.
As king suggested, various ECL that only need BO and levels and aint on the line would do nicely I think, and offer higher level support play for any ship-class crew, including BBs.
Total agreed not a grind but a real Support role. Plus you would see a major increase of sonar mounted CVs, CLs and similars which would make more sporty for subs to sneak attack.
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Re : How to avoid SS to kill the game? are they really?
09. 02. 2011 14:57
crackmonk
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iii indeed recommends this 1 lol due to the fact that i do, do the asw with my emden..... 8 hh guns.... uuu really can't go wrong lol and come to think of it.... ii think there is a ship line that u can use for asw but normaly it's for HA the troop carrier i tryed the line it has like 5 gun.... ii think it has the ability for asw.... what with the hh and all
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Re : How to avoid SS to kill the game? are they really?
09. 02. 2011 15:18
aingeal
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Originally Posted by crackmonk
iii indeed recommends this 1 lol due to the fact that i do, do the asw with my emden..... 8 hh guns.... uuu really can't go wrong lol and come to think of it.... ii think there is a ship line that u can use for asw but normaly it's for HA the troop carrier i tryed the line it has like 5 gun.... ii think it has the ability for asw.... what with the hh and all
APA are extremely slow however. But yes, in HA they are ran with a Sonarman and HH to defend vs SS going to them. In no way ware they a worthy ship for regular battle tough.
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Re : How to avoid SS to kill the game? are they really?
09. 02. 2011 15:36
crackmonk
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Originally Posted by aingeal
Originally Posted by crackmonk
iii indeed recommends this 1 lol due to the fact that i do, do the asw with my emden..... 8 hh guns.... uuu really can't go wrong lol and come to think of it.... ii think there is a ship line that u can use for asw but normaly it's for HA the troop carrier i tryed the line it has like 5 gun.... ii think it has the ability for asw.... what with the hh and all
APA are extremely slow however. But yes, in HA they are ran with a Sonarman and HH to defend vs SS going to them. In no way ware they a worthy ship for regular battle tough.
oo i know lol.... iii still much prefer emden lol the only thing it all the other nations don't hav a ship like that other then 1 but that only has 7 unlike emdens 8.... not sure of the other ships name :l
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Re : How to avoid SS to kill the game? are they really?
09. 03. 2011 06:27
joshmon999
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Just toss in specialized ASW ships in the bb AND cv lines that are say, lvl 74/89/105 , with room for high level crews. Taht's it. Then ppl could still level their crews without penalty and have fun nuking SS. problem solved.
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Re : How to avoid SS to kill the game? are they really?
09. 03. 2011 08:56
crackmonk
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Originally Posted by joshmon999
Just toss in specialized ASW ships in the bb AND cv lines that are say, lvl 74/89/105 , with room for high level crews. Taht's it. Then ppl could still level their crews without penalty and have fun nuking SS. problem solved.
lol i'm all for it..... i think it's a butt ton of fun hunting subs but if this does go into play the ships will need good speed to get away from torps and what about the gun mounts lol should it be like all r or t.... or maybe an even of both
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Re : New "Eventual" Ships
09. 04. 2011 15:04
RedNemo
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I renamed the topic but the proposal still stand:
For each nation a medium-high level ECL (like Emerald, Emden, Yubari, etc) around lvl 50-65.
Which could be fitted with good ASW/AA equipement, The intend is to allow medium-high experienced player to play eficiently as support ships, its not necessary to OP them, but just to allow players to get no really heavy exp loss due to their wish to help their team.
In this way teamwork would be ehanced, some grind would be easier (thinking of the first pair of gunners grind, when your BB cannot fire porperly and you are fastfood).
PS to mods, I hope I didnt break any rule by renaming the topic.
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Re : New "Eventual" Ships
09. 04. 2011 15:38
ljsevern
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Originally Posted by Rick5000
Another Sub complaining topic.
Stop it, quit NF if you dont like it.
- TB
- Guns (surface)
- torps
-DC
-HH
- mines
- maps like iceberg
Need more to kill just a sub?
Another sub player making another factually incorrect post. A submarine can avoid all those if he has SKILL
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Re : New "Eventual" Ships
09. 04. 2011 15:39
ljsevern
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@On Topic
Higher level ASW/Support ships is something I have proposed a long time ago, and would agree.
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