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  • T4s Fighters @ lvl 115+ only?

    09. 27. 2011 10:38


Foxhound31
https://fm.en.navyfield.com/Community/Forum/View.aspx?num=3927&searchtype=0&pagecount=0&searchvalue=&sort=5&category=C03&page1=1

Those of you who don't pay attention to the test server discussions, now might be a good time to start paying attention.

[EDIT] might want to voice your opinions too

 

  • Re : T4s Fighters @ lvl 115+ only?

    09. 27. 2011 11:49


LtDann
Originally Posted by DarkLeviatan

If this becomes reality, I'll quit playing CV !
I have been raising my fighter pilots for more than 4 years.
Now that I finally reached lvl 103 I am absolutely pissed by that stupid idea.
I shall certainly not make a step backwards for another year or perhaps even more !



4 years to get to lvl 103? I just stepped in some thing wish I had my boots on :(

  • Re : T4s Fighters @ lvl 115+ only?

    09. 27. 2011 11:59


tomfoolery44
Originally Posted by ljsevern

Originally Posted by tomfoolery44

As I stated in the test forum discussion, I think LJs crusade for the T4 lvl increase is counter-productive. I agree with him on most issues, especially regarding BBs, but I would argue that:
-the difference between T4 and T3 Fighters is not as big as the difference between BB5s and BB3s.
-at lvl 100, T4s currently break up the grind nicely
-once you get your fighters to lvl 115, you are probably getting your CV6 unlocked, so why not spread out the new content more
-unless you change all of the fighter/bomber levels, 75/77 to 115 is the heart of the CV grind where new content would be nice

wasting time on this argument is not nearly as important as:
-getting unique CV6s for all nations
-properly balancing fighters
-making TBs more relevent in the game
-implementing any one of the hundreds of other unused CV suggestions


What everyone calls T4 fighters is actually T5's. There are 4 types of fighters below it.

All the fighter levels are being changed, please read Mailman's posts.

And we are pushing for a release of more bomber tiers also.



I didn't see anything from MM about introducing more bomber tiers or changing the other fighter lvls. If you can make CV6s more relevent without making the rest of the CV grind even more monotonous, then I'm all for it.

  • Re : T4s Fighters @ lvl 115+ only?

    09. 27. 2011 12:01


ljsevern
Originally Posted by tomfoolery44

Originally Posted by ljsevern

Originally Posted by tomfoolery44

As I stated in the test forum discussion, I think LJs crusade for the T4 lvl increase is counter-productive. I agree with him on most issues, especially regarding BBs, but I would argue that:
-the difference between T4 and T3 Fighters is not as big as the difference between BB5s and BB3s.
-at lvl 100, T4s currently break up the grind nicely
-once you get your fighters to lvl 115, you are probably getting your CV6 unlocked, so why not spread out the new content more
-unless you change all of the fighter/bomber levels, 75/77 to 115 is the heart of the CV grind where new content would be nice

wasting time on this argument is not nearly as important as:
-getting unique CV6s for all nations
-properly balancing fighters
-making TBs more relevent in the game
-implementing any one of the hundreds of other unused CV suggestions


What everyone calls T4 fighters is actually T5's. There are 4 types of fighters below it.

All the fighter levels are being changed, please read Mailman's posts.

And we are pushing for a release of more bomber tiers also.



I didn't see anything from MM about introducing more bomber tiers or changing the other fighter lvls. If you can make CV6s more relevent without making the rest of the CV grind even more monotonous, then I'm all for it.


Go read the test sever forum. It was in the plan highlighted by myself, Fara and Mailman. The bomber tiers is something that isn't concrete yet; In an ideal world, yes, but in the end it is up to SDE and it takes them a while to make new content up.

  • Re : T4s Fighters @ lvl 115+ only?

    09. 27. 2011 12:02


ljsevern
Originally Posted by Ultra_Dog

This is just another reason not to play NF.

The grind to L115 without premium is horrific. No reason to even bring the CV out anymore. Just get in the sub and demolish all the BBs I can find.

good luck trying to get 8 CVs anymore, without mega premimum giveaways.

Another ridiculous change.


You never bring out your CV or BB anyway lol. Its not a ridiculous change, it makes sense; But because I agree with it, you obviously have to flame.

The grind to Level 115 without premium is easy; Try doing it when the max Exp was 20k per game like it was 3 years ago.

If people actually put forward proper points of debate about it, then fair point. But all you do is complain and flame without bringing facts and evidence to the table.

  • Re : T4s Fighters @ lvl 115+ only?

    09. 27. 2011 12:04


ljsevern
Originally Posted by DarkLeviatan

If this becomes reality, I'll quit playing CV !
I have been raising my fighter pilots for more than 4 years.
Now that I finally reached lvl 103 I am absolutely pissed by that stupid idea.
I shall certainly not make a step backwards for another year or perhaps even more !


4 years and only 103?

  • Re : T4s Fighters @ lvl 115+ only?

    09. 27. 2011 12:08


DarkLeviatan
You might take into consideration that I am not one of those 24/7 hardcore players.
I got 5 BO lines in total and I have been playing since the last months of Beta which is even more than 4 years as you might know.

You may laugh at this but this is due to my real life and I am glad to have one.

  • Re : T4s Fighters @ lvl 115+ only?

    09. 27. 2011 12:14


FalleNStaR
Each nation's planes should have their own tree just like the ships do. If T4's are to be level 115+ "end game", there needs to be more variety. Cvers are already stuck in each tier for far too long, two of which they are just food. More variety of fighters types, bombers types, torper types. And at each tier there should be a premium plane types option.


Your welcome.

Also ljsevern needs to have all his pilots deleted as a show of solidarity and commitment to game balancing.

  • Re : T4s Fighters @ lvl 115+ only?

    09. 27. 2011 12:16


Sonlirain
Originally Posted by DarkLeviatan

You might take into consideration that I am not one of those 24/7 hardcore players.
I got 5 BO lines in total and I have been playing since the last months of Beta which is even more than 4 years as you might know.

You may laugh at this but this is due to my real life and I am glad to have one.


I can relate to you. I started on nelson (New york actually but that's another story) and played CV exclusively till like CV5... and i started another CV line... and a BB line... And then i reset my BB line to a SS line and started another IJN BB line... and after all that my FPs are lvl 105-109 and i'm lacking the will to use them anyway.

So... will USN FPs get balanced anytime soom?

  • Re : T4s Fighters @ lvl 115+ only?

    09. 27. 2011 13:22


Lionel2
Funny, I just completed the grind all the way from L1 to L100 with a mix of premium and no premium in Feburary, and I didn't play at all for 3 straight months.... and managed to move a BB line to L72 during the same time frame. So do I think that it would be impossible for people to make it to L115? No, absolutely not. I just did it.

Second, I see all these comments about the nerf of the sight range of fighters. The funny thing about that is that it doesn't hurt the CVs a bit, because they are increasing the sight range of the bombers. This means that instead of CVs having packs of fighters circling as scouts, they'll spend more time actually bombing the BBs. If you are a CV player and your sense of fun is simply scouting for something that a BB can do for himself, my god, get out there and fight! Instead of "autowin" setup where there are piles of all FP cvs, you'll see BWs or a mix of RP/FP ships. There will actually be tactics and strategy to playing a CV again. The most ironic thing is that the all FP PCV with massive sight and fighters dominating the air, actually will be forced to either spend time bombing or using scouts, thus allowing the weaker CVs the opportunity to not get instantly shot down and be food.

Frankly, I can't stand 90% of LJs nerfing and I hate it when he starts making all the ships types from the nations the same. But I'll tell you then when it comes to the mechanics of the BP/FP/RP system, this is 100 times better than what we currently have.

Also, all these complants about no CVs in a game, well the reason for that is all the idiots out there screaming "noob CV" and "vision". No one want to deal with that crap. The reason these people think they can get vision without scouting, is again the big PCVs dominating wide swath of airspace with fighters. As soon as that dynamic changes, the pressure will indeed come off and the game will get a heck of a lot easier for a lower level CV.

Finally comment is about the change from T4-L115. It doesn't matter what type of plane you are flying, its the skill level of the FP that makes most of the difference. There will always be someone bigger or better. Learn to face adversity instead of cowering from it. Thats what cowards do. Big deal you get shot down. I just dealt with it for 100 levels and I still get shot down. Learn to be tough instead wanting to be handed things.

  • Re : T4s Fighters @ lvl 115+ only?

    09. 27. 2011 13:52


tomfoolery44
Originally Posted by Lionel2

Funny, I just completed the grind all the way from L1 to L100 with a mix of premium and no premium in Feburary, and I didn't play at all for 3 straight months.... and managed to move a BB line to L72 during the same time frame. So do I think that it would be impossible for people to make it to L115? No, absolutely not. I just did it.

Second, I see all these comments about the nerf of the sight range of fighters. The funny thing about that is that it doesn't hurt the CVs a bit, because they are increasing the sight range of the bombers. This means that instead of CVs having packs of fighters circling as scouts, they'll spend more time actually bombing the BBs. If you are a CV player and your sense of fun is simply scouting for something that a BB can do for himself, my god, get out there and fight! Instead of "autowin" setup where there are piles of all FP cvs, you'll see BWs or a mix of RP/FP ships. There will actually be tactics and strategy to playing a CV again. The most ironic thing is that the all FP PCV with massive sight and fighters dominating the air, actually will be forced to either spend time bombing or using scouts, thus allowing the weaker CVs the opportunity to not get instantly shot down and be food.

Frankly, I can't stand 90% of LJs nerfing and I hate it when he starts making all the ships types from the nations the same. But I'll tell you then when it comes to the mechanics of the BP/FP/RP system, this is 100 times better than what we currently have.

Also, all these complants about no CVs in a game, well the reason for that is all the idiots out there screaming "noob CV" and "vision". No one want to deal with that crap. The reason these people think they can get vision without scouting, is again the big PCVs dominating wide swath of airspace with fighters. As soon as that dynamic changes, the pressure will indeed come off and the game will get a heck of a lot easier for a lower level CV.

Finally comment is about the change from T4-L115. It doesn't matter what type of plane you are flying, its the skill level of the FP that makes most of the difference. There will always be someone bigger or better. Learn to face adversity instead of cowering from it. Thats what cowards do. Big deal you get shot down. I just dealt with it for 100 levels and I still get shot down. Learn to be tough instead wanting to be handed things.


The reason there aren't many CVs is because they are boring. Scouts are even more boring than fighters! I don't think you are going to get CV players excited about the idea of abandoning their current crews and leveling up more scout pilots. Scouts shouldn't be as useful in a CV setup as fighters because BBs can also use scouts.

There are people who play this game more casually and don't want to level a whole new crew. Instead of making fun of someone who took 4 years to reach a high level, maybe you should take these people into consideration when making these changes so you don't alienate them.

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