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T4s Fighters @ lvl 115+ only?
09. 27. 2011 10:38
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Re : T4s Fighters @ lvl 115+ only?
09. 27. 2011 17:03
ljsevern
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Originally Posted by BBR_InsUW
Originally Posted by farazelleth
I can't help but think Foxhound31 is attemping to give only half the story. This isnt just a OMFG we are bumping T4 fighters to 115 and thats it. There is a heck of alot more to the story. The whole plane tree is being looked into, starting with the top hence end game 115.
*copy paste from my post on test server area*
We want to make a top tier fighter thats on par performance wise with the T5 scouts, hence we balanced the T5 scout so its vulnerable to T4 stats and then raised the level of the T4 fighters to really what should be technically called a T5fighter.
The real reason ppl are bitching is because some people not at 115 are going to lose out. For those people understand, the T1,2,3 fighters are not going to stay the same, we are going to re-dictribute the levels. The lvl115 scout is a BB/CV6 plane as is the intetion of the top tier fighter plane @ 115 for CV6's.
Personally I already made a recommendation where we move the levels up of all the lower tiers and to compensate.
ie old T3 becomes lvl100 with buffed stats (but below the lvl115 plane).
The old T2 plane becomes the new lvl75 (with old t3 stats)
The old T1 plane becomes new lvl60 (with old t2 stats)
And Interceptors work between 40 and 60, perhaps with a fraction more fuel to make them more noob friendly.
I know some people won't like the idea of your first proper fighters being at lvl60 but this solution is a heck of alot better than doing nothing but moving T4 fighters to 115. At least this way we give a slightly buffed t3 fighter @ 100 and the T4@115.
All here under radical idea #2 -->
http://navyfield.com/Community/Forum/View.aspx?num=3813&category=C03&searchType=0&searchValue=&pageCount=0&sort=5&page1=1&page=5
Fara.
Fara You Idea is fine if all done at once but LJ is not talking about the rest just the T4 the T5 issue. and his only point is as he stated " T4 fighters (which are actually T5 fighters but whatever...) need to be 115. Anything lower will not cut it. They are meant for CV6" That is the issue. Sure someday they may get to the rest and add the Higher level DB and TB but none of that is on the table. here is the limitation from MM "A few things from the start: 1. We will have to start this with teh planes we currently have. There will be SN T4 fighters, that's something we're sure about. For the rest we should base this project on the existing planes. 2. We're bound to the current aircraft system. This means no changes to the coding of the game etc."
You do realise I was the one to make the initial proposal of adjusting all the fighter levels, not just the T5 fighters? If you want to quote one post of mine, quote the one with the proposal.
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Re : T4s Fighters @ lvl 115+ only?
09. 27. 2011 18:53
bloodsky
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Originally Posted by V2CxBongRipz
Oh and since when do forum mods get to make threads that would be locked if a normal user makes it?
Nobody has tried to make a thread like this in GD, to call out a TS issue/debate.
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Re : T4s Fighters @ lvl 115+ only?
09. 27. 2011 18:56
Gtdawg
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Originally Posted by bloodsky
Originally Posted by V2CxBongRipz
Oh and since when do forum mods get to make threads that would be locked if a normal user makes it?
Nobody has tried to make a thread like this in GD, to call out a TS issue/debate.
When there was a rash of sub threads a couple weeks ago because people were complaining about impending sub nerfs, those threads were locked because the test forum is freely available...no?
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Re : T4s Fighters @ lvl 115+ only?
09. 27. 2011 19:31
nyerkovic
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Originally Posted by Gtdawg
Originally Posted by bloodsky
Originally Posted by V2CxBongRipz
Oh and since when do forum mods get to make threads that would be locked if a normal user makes it?
Nobody has tried to make a thread like this in GD, to call out a TS issue/debate.
When there was a rash of sub threads a couple weeks ago because people were complaining about impending sub nerfs, those threads were locked because the test forum is freely available...no?
You are correct, people opened threads to discuss subs and were sent to the test server to discuss, but please read Foxhound's initial post. He posted a link to the test server discussion and asked for people to pay attention to the test server. People should have gone there, not debate here. This is very different from opening a thread in GD to discuss the changes.
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Re : T4s Fighters @ lvl 115+ only?
09. 27. 2011 20:40
Gtdawg
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Audessy's thread was telling people to go to the test forum section and voice their opinions.
I'm forced to ask, though, what...exactly...would one expect by posting this thread? If you wanted to inform people about the test forum and a thread, then he could post a link, sticky it, and lock the thread, yes?
I mean, surely everyone isn't surprised that a balance discussion would spring up from this thread.
Of course, I don't particularly care whether more people go post in the section or not. However, I think it is hilarious that a) the first time he seems to care about the section is when something would negatively affect him as he says now is a good time to pay attention (and it's the first time I can recall him showing this much interest in any balance discussion) and b) the only time these threads ever show up is when someone's ship or crew is about to get nerfed and they feel the need to go to the masses to garner support for their viewpoint..
That he is, seemingly, getting a free pass because he's a mod isn't really all that surprising.
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Re : T4s Fighters @ lvl 115+ only?
09. 27. 2011 21:35
Foxhound31
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first of all I don't really play CV, I spend approx 99% of my time playing BB and the other 1% of time playing SS/CV/AA/ASW.
If anybody has read what I've been posting, it has NOTHING to do with my own crew or whatever. Every post I've made I've made clear that this is a very serious change that can affect the greater community, and more seriously the very future of CV players in NF. Being quite aware that the greater community really pays no attention to the test server discussion is the sole reason why I have posted the link in GD so that more people, especially CV drivers become aware of this pending change.
So please take the comments of "you're biased" somewhere else.
@Gt, my inability to take part in balance discussions stems primarily to the fact that for a significant period of time I was completely and utterly unable to get the test server client to work. After recently getting my now repaired laptop back, I have reinstalled the test server client (it finally works now) and fully intend to participate in future balance discussions.
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Re : T4s Fighters @ lvl 115+ only?
09. 27. 2011 21:50
V2CxBongRipz
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Proper place for threads like this: http://navyfield.com/Community/Forum/List.aspx?category=C03
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Re : T4s Fighters @ lvl 115+ only?
09. 27. 2011 23:29
Ewood
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See, whining like this is why there's a severe lack of good CV players.
Most of the ones that play it don't bother learning how to adapt their playstyle. When GB2 became dominant, I went BW-heavy due to elimination style game-mode, sunk a lot of CV's as that was all I tried to bomb (won a lot of games doing it as well). fleet games, that was dependant on what I had/what the fleet wanted me to play, I played as efficiently as possible. Now things have changed again.
Fara likes to propose his Fighter + Scout playstyle as being the most effective. For HA's/fleet games, I'll definately go along with that. I'm more of a casual player now, so aren't bothered about being 'efficient', I just want to have fun. If that means trolling the server with a MN DBW'd CV, or using a UK F+DB CV? Meh, works for me, it's just a shame that I can play/practice SO little, log on a few games, stomp people and notice no negligible change then log off because I'm bored as hell.
So yeah, change away, give me a reason to try and change my playstyle, give me an incentive to play more, hell, bounce me an email/IM about my thoughts on potential changes if you want, just make the game fun again (and by that, I mean challenging...), MAKE the CV6 fearsome, make the T4(or 5's, whatever you're classing them as) useable on CV6's only, I don't want to be facing one in a PCV with pilots under 115 and think to myself, meh, no challenge there and still use 8 planes in a launch. I WANT to have to think to beat it, I WANT it to be able to launch enough bombers to have a BB wet itself, it's lvl 120 ffs, make it SCARY!!
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Re : T4s Fighters @ lvl 115+ only?
09. 28. 2011 07:04
Lionel2
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Originally Posted by tomfoolery44
Originally Posted by Lionel2
Second, I see all these comments about the nerf of the sight range of fighters. The funny thing about that is that it doesn't hurt the CVs a bit, because they are increasing the sight range of the bombers. This means that instead of CVs having packs of fighters circling as scouts, they'll spend more time actually bombing the BBs. If you are a CV player and your sense of fun is simply scouting for something that a BB can do for himself, my god, get out there and fight!
Also, all these complants about no CVs in a game, well the reason for that is all the idiots out there screaming "noob CV" and "vision". No one want to deal with that crap. The reason these people think they can get vision without scouting, is again the big PCVs dominating wide swath of airspace with fighters. As soon as that dynamic changes, the pressure will indeed come off and the game will get a heck of a lot easier for a lower level CV.
The reason there aren't many CVs is because they are boring. Scouts are even more boring than fighters! I don't think you are going to get CV players excited about the idea of abandoning their current crews and leveling up more scout pilots. Scouts shouldn't be as useful in a CV setup as fighters because BBs can also use scouts. There are people who play this game more casually and don't want to level a whole new crew. Instead of making fun of someone who took 4 years to reach a high level, maybe you should take these people into consideration when making these changes so you don't alienate them.
Did you read what I wrote or do you just shoot off your mouth? I just elminated most of what I said so it would be easier for you to go back and read the pertinant parts. Obviously, you think that CVs are just boring working as a scout, but thats exactly what an all FP ship does. You are a scout bitch for the BBs. Why did it take four years to get a high level crew when I did it in a few months? So you don't have premium. I hate to be the jerk to say it, but Yuno don't work for free and they have to pay people to operate the server. If after 4 years you can't kick in a little $$$$ once in a while to keep the game open, then really the only thing that you are contributing to is the fact that you are one more person in the game. If again, by your admission, it took FOUR YEARS to get to that level, then it tells me that you don't even do that much. That is not a good representation of CV drivers leaving the game. Overall, I think that you are acting out of selfishness or possibly emotion instead of rational thought. You aren't reading closely how the system is designed. The reason BBs aren't using scouts anymore is because the fighters are domintating the lines. The reason there are no more BWs is because fighters are dominating the lines. The reason that CVs don't play is because they get yelled at all the time and being told to "scout".... or "vision" and if you haven't been called a noob a couple times a day then you really aren't a CV driver that is in the loop on what goes on.
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Re : T4s Fighters @ lvl 115+ only?
09. 28. 2011 08:06
tomfoolery44
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@lionel2
Yes, I read your whole post and I agreed with almost all of it. I should have only quoted the part I was talking about and some posts from other people. I'm sorry if you thought it was a personal attack on you. That was not my intention.
I have leveled approx. 20 BOs between lvls 75 and 120, so I was not being "selfish" and asking to be pandered. I was pointing out that less skilled, more casual players need to be taken into consideration for the game to survive. I'm not saying that you need to balance ships that way, but when you are talking about changes that require you to level a whole different crew I think this applies. If your only crew was a CV crew at lvl 103 with a mix of fighters and bombers and suddenly you needed scouts to have a competitive crew, that would be frustrating.
Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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