They'd rather just complain about LJ and ruin everything for the rest of us.

How ever they want SK_Bismarck to step up, tell lukas off, make a league with no rule set (depending on how you look at it), and definitely no balance thought.

Sorry Kings11, I'm not interesting about organization FL. Actually I´m focused to my RL and due to this I was step down from FM too some time ago...

Actual problem is not about ruleset (and never was)...it is about communication between organizators-fleets-SDE and about making things the too complicated way...it is my personal view actual situation based on experience from YO FL...

As I said before..succesfull FL have to be focused on FUN and FRIENDLY enviroment and have to be SIMPLE.

- FUN - players have fun when they play matches...too much break in league = no fun

- FRIENDLY - organizator have to be diplomat / mediator => he should solve problems before they occure, solve potentional clashes between fleets to keep friendly enviroment in league. Organizator should try to make friends from enemies.

- SIMPLE - smoothly running league without breaks, issues. Players wants to play. Players don´t want wait nor to be punished by strict rules. League need simple rules => no need hard "trained" referees => you can use volunteers from people online with just quick training about simple rules. Simple rules = less potentional problems...Target should not have strict rules and try to train all (players, referees) to keep them, but target should be make rules "problem resistant" - simple as it can.

All this factors are required for succesfull fleet league. Succesfull league is not league where you have one winner at the end but league where won all players/fleets/organizators at the end - had fun, new friends, better enviroment on server...

cheers
sk_bismarck

As a referee in this Failure of a Fleet League, I really don't seem how it is my fault that 5 fleets decided to leave; three because they couldn't muster the numbers, one because they were tired of being dicked around and the last, and I can only assume, because they just couldn't be bothered.

As the person that banned your fleet mate in the DD-CL-CA game, I will try, yet again, to explain the ship limits and why I believe they were chosen.



BB4s are arguably the most balanced between themselves. The best teams will use a mixture of all the nations since they are have a purpose;

H39 has the best range but worst damage and armour penetration.
Stalingrad and Yamato have enough range but with the added trick of completely ignoring armour at range.
Iowa has the best DP/s with a thin profile and competitive range.
Lion I can armour, which forces H39s, Vanguards and other Lions to switch to AP.

Sadly the Vanguard functions as a less specialized H39 and the Richelieu as a un-armoured Lion I.

CV4s are used because, firstly, to keep the same tier as the BB but also because over the course of a 25 minute match, it is very possible to run out of fighters. That makes active plane management a required practice so the CV drivers can't afford to just let their planes run out of fuel.



Now, for the sake of a thought experiment, say there were no limits on ship configuration and SS3--5s weren't counted as capital ships...

Every single team would have 4 Nebraskas, 3 Kaisers with 3 USN PCVs. After that, there would be 3-4 KM SS5s with the remaining spots being Pensacolas and Mendels.

I challenge anyone to have a better setup with a 20 person team with a limit of 10 BBs and CVs.

Implying my KM SS5 doesn't rape absolutely everything other than the occasional KM SS5 (usually driven by Dingy)...

Implying my CV6 doesn't have T5 scouts and Lv100 T4 fighters...

Implying my BB6s don't have T5 scouts....

Implying my KM EBB3 isn't worth as much as a BB5 in a normal GB I...

Implying I don't have a truck full of free PHHs, Mines and Smokes from prior events.

Come back with a new argument, try adapting just like you tell the old dinosaurs to do...

A league for the server should be property of noone, should be by all and for all, but thats a concept some ppl cant understand and preffer to reduce it to a close group of ppl treating as hostile elements to whoever that brings up different opinions.




They leaders explained other reasons, but well, maybe they lied. Maybe its not fault of noone, maybe it just needed better diplomacy for getting more people and a more careful organization, Sk or I got tired of saying it for months tired of being flammed and finally banned from those forums. All the problems you are having were predicted and ignored, now you get the results, if you still dont see them i feel sorry for you.



DD/CL/CA game was a nice showing of what this league could be, 20 ppl from AH and PMW asking to open a room for having a fair game and you didn't open and banned my fleetmate. In Jedi vs Regalia match rules were broken but referees decided to hear fleets and play again ... so impartial referees ... Well, Armada Chilena told something about biased league but those words were hidden. Maybe they were lying too. Liers are everywhere.




We had very insteresting setup in last MO league including SS3s, T4 fighters and T5 scouts. That fear all of you have to SSs that made you completly reduce the SS5s to crappy ships is exagerated, in that league SS3s didnt break battle balances at all because all good fleets know how to use them.




Its a fact that active players and active fleets are better used to new content. If you forbid in league ALL the new content included in NF in last 3 years you dont have a NF league, you have a capped version of NF suited to old fleets/players. The excuse of "everything new is unbalanced, so it must be forbidden" makes me laugh a lot. Thats my point of view of why you nerfed all the new things included in last 3 years, if you have another reason i didn't see, please enlight me. But ship limits is not at all the main reason because of many fleets didn't want to join that.




Congrats mate, i got a headache when i read the 34 general rules, battle rules are also a lot and even more complicated. In leagues you have to put easy rules for makes referees job easier. People just want to play, they don't want to be worried about break rule number 25 section 3, they need easy rules. Putting limits on "unbalanced planes" makes everything harder, everyone make mistakes breaks the rules, so you have implemented penalty points, so referees job is hard, so you need especialized referees what is hard to get with few fleets/ppl involved .... you make things so complex that people dont want to participate or the ones who want just leave league bored because of cancellations or other issues after few matches.

Mistakes after mistakes after mistakes and you still dont see the problem? Do you need a picture?

About organizing another league we will talk when this one ends, but next league should not be property for any individual or any fleet for avoiding problems like this one is having.

You mean that time when the player left and your fleet said he crashed. When I could still /who him? When your other fleet mate wouldn't tab after being told that the 'crash' wasn't a crash and the guy just left the room?

Yeah, we were already late for the next rounds. He had 2 minutes the room was open plus the time it took for PMW's actual player crash to change his setup or whatever he was doing.

I couldn't care less what he was doing, he left on his own will and didn't get back in the room. Not my problem.

If we are going to be playing selective memory at least get the time line right; you guy left and didn't get back. I banned the CL that wouldn't tab. Your fleet retreated. And ever since you couldn't get the knot out of your panties.

All you want mate, 20 players from 2 fleets asked for a fair battle and you ruined it. If you still think it was a good decision keep on that.