What good would locking it do?

Because this just turns into the same circle jerk.

> This fleet league sucks.
> Then run your own.
> SDE should be the only ones that open a fleet league.
> SDE can't run events.

etc...

Who runs the Kaiser Fleet League? Is it not angus725? Is he not TNF? TNF is apart of SDE right? He has ran the Fleet league on that server for how long? So to say that SDE can't do it.......

Why can't the Fleet League on Nebraska be ran by a member of TNF? If no current members want to do it then hire some new ones too.

Just a thought...

They could have been more worried about this but I dont think its SDE fault at all. There are examples of leagues run by players that were a total success.I just pointed the mistakes made in this one, others and me predicted them long time ago, you can make some autocritics and try to learn or bring the other half of the fleet here to keep flamming me.

You needed more people involved, a better comunication with fleets, better diplomacy, more publicitation of the league in nf forums, less suited-to-old-players ship limits, you needed more easier and simple rulesetting and over all those things you needed less arrogance and more will of understanding and dialogate with education and good maners. Flaming, insulting and banning valid people from onf forums or saying things from the organization like "im right 99% the time" or "im happy with the league being small" were not the right attitude to do this, in my subjective point of view.

"if this league sucks then host your own league".

Well, if thats the most elaborated idea i can read here, not much more to say, i would preffer you to see your mistakes, if i were spending my time in organizating a league i would like to make a good job as much efficient possible, learning from the experience, correcting my mistakes and making new friends, creating a good enviroment like we had in last MOFL. But obviously you have another points of view and you gave priority to other things.

New league? Time for talk about a new league is when this one ends, but if you are learning nothing from your mistakes in this one i doubt it will be possible to create a league by all and for all, only partial and private leagues/competitions like this one ... well, its sad.




Because this thread was already dead since 1 week ago but some people from certain fleet accuded masively here for resurrect it and discharge some insults and nice words as usual. Not surprised at all.

FMs, i suggest to close the thread.

Anyways im done with this thread, like you said, Monarch, this is getting nowhere.

Merry Christmas to all.

Ha

Also, I find it funny how you make so many complaints about the league, but you aren't even in it. You complain it was all done in private? But it wasn't.

Its the same old posts from you; Make outlandish claim, no proof to back it up.

My league limits are SDE supported and TNF supported. If you don't like it, make your own league. Only in Navyfield will you get flamed for providing fleet events.

And if you are still complaining about players being banned because you broke the rules of the fleet war... then seriously, you need to read the rules.

I swear the vast majority of your posts have a love for me... Gotta love having my own fan club.

If you actually have a genuine complaint about the league, make a post on the site without insulting players and insulting past servers.

If you want to talk about your banning from the site Cracko, then PM me. But you were indefinately banned by the council there (which includes TNF members) for sending insulting PM's and making insulting posts. SK Bismarcks ban was for making insulting posts and spamming/abusing the report function and karma system. You were both warned countless times.

Oh, and feel free to look at these posts:-
http://www.opennavyfield.com/smf/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=63

http://www.opennavyfield.com/smf/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=9


I have made countless attempts to get you guys involved. I offered SK bismarck a place on the council. The same with Slaimer. But they refused. I made the discussion area public. I made the voting system public; Free3play even coded a new module for it. I even allowed unlimited SS2's. I even allowed Mandels and the SN BB4. I extended the time limit to get in the room. I extended the crashing time limit. So many other things. I put up polls for ship limits. All open and done by the AV voting system.

But nothing is ever good enough is it.

Proof and evidences. Evidences and facts for support your claims. Give me a balance argument !!!

Don't you get tired of the same songs in your posts ?

League needed a more careful organization, less arrogance and better will of understanding and for next league i think everyone should take note of that, that is my claim. I already give solid arguments for that. My main proof is many fleets ignored league due to the lack of publicitation, and from the 11 fleets that started the half of the fleets retreated, some of them angry and in bad way.

Your league limits are SDE supported and TNF supported. Really? As you like to say, do you have evidence and facts for support your claims? I checked it with via PM with a high rank TNF time ago and if i remember well he told me TNF has nothing to say about ship limits. "Have nothing to say" is different to "support". Anyways if you have proofs, evidences and facts show them, since you allways say that to people apply that to yourself before making your claims.

Yep, i read rules from league, my admiration to referees and fleets that can play with those rules. I think fleet leaders in that league are more worried about rules, about cheking noone having T5 scouts, about checking CVs having not T4 fps, about having in their heads the penalty points of each broken rule than setting up a good team, also referees work must be stresfull. Lack of referees is perfectly understable.

When the time of having a new league arrives, we should take note of all these things for having proofs, evidences and facts about how to make things.

Merry Christmas Lj :-)


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Oh, you edited your reply ... Insults? Show me please, send me in a PM those insults. I have been insulted with direct insults many times in onf forums. But i dont remember to have said one, in posts or in pm, i neither remember to say one in nf forums, send me in a pm your proofs and evidences, i dont know what you call insult. Bring proofs, evidences and facts for support your claims.

As I remember user which abuse karma system on your forum was just YOU...you removed negative karma points (more than one time) from your account. I was not able to abuse your karma system, I was able just used karma system WITHIN limits which you setup for karma system on your site (e.g. max one vote per hour etc.) ...Pls don´t lie about this again...
About my ban - as I remember you inform me that I got 14 days ban...but these 14 days on ONF site continue till today (I was not informed about prolonging my ban)...

Sorry for OT but I need to corect some notes...

About league...we don´t need SDE to organize FL (it will be good but not necessary), Succesfull FL just need "user friendly" enviroment. Fun and friendly based league should be priority for all. Players wants to play. Not wait, no learn tons of pages rules. League should be simple and enjoyable for all...including players, referees and organizators. You have check all your steps if you are WITHIN this principles or not. If some of your steps make league less fun, less enjoyable then you try change it to make things closer to this basics...fun and friendly enviroment should be prior all other.

For example...check all rules and try to evaluate their impact to the fun, friendly, complication for referees, fairness etc... and ask yourself if this rules is realy advantage or disadvantage for whole league...