I guess the hard headed people are refusing to see what some of us are saying. We understand there is a danger
in account sharing. We actually keep our main accounts safe and out of the hands of other people. We have set
up designated accounts that can be used by fleet members so they can try out different ships such as subs instead
of leveling one then wanting to shoot themselves for going down that road. We have players who may have never
played a TW or CVs and the shared fleet accounts allow them to "test" those out. This also applies to different
nations. This is not something we have to do but it's a service we provided to our fleet members and I think
they have appreciated getting a "preview" of what certain ships and nations can do. In our case, we're upset we
won't be able to provide this service as easily as before.

it is that, mako. However, it isn't just us and pretty much the reasons I listed are applicable to a large variety of fleets. Allowing our fleet members to try other ships is probably more limited to our fleet (hence why I didn't list it) since I think we share a lot more than other fleets especially given the size of our fleet.


Piombo -

If you really want to be a part of 'EULA police" then take a look at the section on user name rules and go wild.

You are missing my point, but instead of arguing how about we look at how it affects *you*.

If you actually were hacked (maybe someone was pissed off at you or was simply bored) and someone worked out your first password.

As it is now, your PIN is pretty much pointless. The hacker can change your email address and reset the PIN with just that password until SDE web developers re-code that section.

With my suggestion you re-gain the security benefit of having the PIN number until the re-coding.

Keep beating up that straw man Foxhound, I bet it feels good.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man


Edit: To put it this way,

No one should be happy their accounts aren't as safe as before, regardless if they have shared out their password or not.

Downgrading account security levels KNOWING people (used to) share accounts is downright irresponsible and unprofessional.

Uh, actually , it's funny someone would actually USE the Straw Man Gambit, by actually saying someone else is using it, lol. Straight up, he said he was behind the second password being used for general security reasons, but if your point is involving account sharing then refer to EULA.
Some remarked above "the designers claimed it was for security , but we all KNOW it was for account sharing" Ok, so you can read the minds of the Devs..... and that makes your argument correct.
Also it was said that the EULA wasnt written for this game blah blah..... Who cares dude? Cry more. I run a business that uses about 5 types of contract. Guess where I got them? From a generic contract site. Tweaked them to fit my needs and they work great. The point is, it says what it says, and always has, so if you dont agree with the EULA (which has been there since the first day you ever logged in and hasnt changed) then move on.
Since it seems like It only matters mainly to the segment of the game that is pretty much singlehandedly responsible for ruining it's playability and mass appeal in the first place (lag issues aside) I could really care less. Dont share accounts and STFU. Noone cares about your crying. Noone cares about your opinion. Noone is going to sort through endless messes trying to sort out your 'hacked accounts anymore'. And I'm glad. More power to SDE. I'm sick of reading about it, hearing about it. And I am CERTAIN I am not the only one.
Honestly, I just reread what I typed and cracked up. The idea of you people telling devs what they intended or not, or negating a contract you sign every time you log in because its somehow 'invalid'. Bet you still believe Obama wasn't born in Hawaii, lol.
Oh, and feel free to correct me, but doesnt the account verification only last for 30 min? After that, you need to re-verify to change account info. So yeah , I guess if a person is able to log onto your account within 30 min of you verifying it for one reason or another then they could scrw you. But is fairly unlkikely, and I thought that was why it was designed that way in the fiest place. Again correct me if im wrong. So basically, as long as you dont use the same password for email as NF you are all set.
As far as the "changing something when they KNOW ppl are breaking the rules anyway being irresponsible" I laughed out loud at that one. "Hmmm I want to change things a bit, but I won't because people refuse to accept that certain things are not allowed or even encouraged."
News Flash: Maybe they didnt institute the PIN to facilitate sharing, maybe they did it to avoid a few hours a week straightening out moronic account sharing people's messes. Now you want to use that as evidence they secretly approve of account sharing?

"Since it seems like It only matters mainly to the segment of the game that is pretty much singlehandedly responsible for ruining it's playability and mass appeal in the first place (lag issues aside) I could really care less"

How do you make that determination?

I let someone on to my account some 3+ years ago to play in an HA when I wasn't around. However, you can ask anyone how often I share my account. I can guarantee there is not a single person on the server (in or out of my fleet) that knows the password to my account.

I am not the least bit affected or worried that my account is more vulnerable since I don't share my password.

However, I am disappointed that it is so easy to change a verified email and steal someone's account.

That you have determined that I am part of the group that has destroyed this game...not even sure where you got that.

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Also, yes, if you look at what the trade password controls, you can make an assumption on what it was designed to do.

It was stated that the second password was to prevent the accidental deletion of sailors. If that is the case, why is the second password used to restrict access to the trade system, the HQ, and the item section?

And, why was it used as a second password for email verification on the old website?

Can you answer either of the two questions in a reasonable way that doesn't imply that the second password is to restrict access to shared accounts to make it easier to borrow/share accounts?

As for the EULA, I pointed out that it was humorous that people were parroting the EULA when it wasn't written for the game. The TNF mods are adding nothing to the discussion other than repeating a company line that isn't even SDE's line. We could point out the parts that mention gold or some such and declare the game broken since it doesn't include that stuff, right? I mean, it says it right in the EULA...so where is it? Or, is it ok to disregard certain parts of the EULA just because?

I have no intention of ever submitting a ticket about my account being hacked because I know it won't ever happen. Considering I've given my account password to one person in 5 years, I'm not too worried about it.

I have no idea what the Obama being born in Hawaii thing has to do with anyone.

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"Oh, and feel free to correct me, but doesnt the account verification only last for 30 min? After that, you need to re-verify to change account info. So yeah , I guess if a person is able to log onto your account within 30 min of you verifying it for one reason or another then they could scrw you. But is fairly unlkikely, and I thought that was why it was designed that way in the fiest place. Again correct me if im wrong. So basically, as long as you dont use the same password for email as NF you are all set. "

If you have someone's password, it is possible to change the verified email on the account without any notification going to the original account holder.

Once you do that, you get the new confirmation code.

At this point, you can change the password with the NEW verified email. The original account holder wouldn't know that his password was changed.

Then, with the new password and new verified email, you can change the trade password.

A person has successfully stolen an account and they have no recourse whatsoever (GMs will just say don't share) and they were never notified that any of this was happening.

On the old site, you had to put in the password and the trade password to change the verified email. There is no reasonable explanation to lower the security level on the new site and then proclaim the new site as having improved security.

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"News Flash: Maybe they didnt institute the PIN to facilitate sharing, maybe they did it to avoid a few hours a week straightening out moronic account sharing people's messes. Now you want to use that as evidence they secretly approve of account sharing?"

That's what tacit approval means, dude.

If they instituted a second password system to improve the security of an account because they didn't want to deal with hacked account support tickets, then that means they approve of account sharing. It means they are actively working to make accounts more secure during account sharing.

If they didn't give their tacit approval, they wouldn't have ever put in the second password and they would continue to tell people "Don't account share. We won't fix it".

If the second password is still in the game, that means they feel it is needed for improved security to prevent certain actions that occur during account sharing. If they feel it is needed in-game, why do they feel it is NOT needed on the forums?

If they feel the only level of security needed is the password (as they do on the forums), then they should remove the second password in-game and just tell people not to share accounts.

The new website reduce the security level of the game, not enhanced it.



How hard is it to understand that simple sentence?

Lol, Again , you didn't say whether or not the verification expires, I believe it does. So then no, you need to have the person's Login, password, their email, and password for that. Otherwise this needs to occur within the 30 min time frame. This seems to be why it was done this way. Again, I may be wrong , but I don't believe so.
Also, "tacit approval" ?? They implemented a system of PIN and gave their reason for it. End of Story. If you're going to put thoughts in people's heads, or say"you did THIS, so THAT must be so" is the height of logical failure. "You can make assumptions" blah blah blah. Yes, a person dead set on ignoring all evidence to the contrary can make all the assumptions they want, but it doesnt change the reality on the ground.
They've said over and over again they don't want account sharing. They try to be nice and just put a PIN in, instead of telling ppl to screw off, and to help them make a better determination of "hacking" or not, but their reasons are their own. Lol, ppl like you will always try to take kindnesses like that and turn it into "tacit" approval. Or decide what it must mean they are 'really' thinking.
Well it doesn't sound like its "tacitly approved" anymore does it?
As far as the account info, again , someone correct me if im wrong, but the first thing it says when you verify is that you need to re-verify after 30 min. This prevents account theft.
as far as sharing in general, I think it's lame. An HA is about team vs team, player vs player. Anyone complaining about that is just sorry they cant pile another 20 + BB6 into an HA, so instead of the big power hitters they should be , they are the minimum standard for sucess, thus preserving the unspoken advantages of having the oldest accounts on the server, or old retired ghost accounts brought out for HA and alt accounts. If i have 2 accounts, how is it fair to let another person play it during HA. The rules state that fleet jumping is off limits, so they already have issues with unfailry fluffing your fleet for HA, how is this any different?
Oh. Because it benefits YOU.

I can't get the thinking of some people.
Whether you agree with account sharing totally, agree in some circumstances or disagree totally, whether the excuse for the trade password is hacking and not account sharing, cant you just see this:


For WHATEVER reason SDE coded a trade password for ingame. This added some security, it is a good thing.
With the new website, if someone with ANY way gets your first password, he changes your email to his (and you are not informed about this), and with the email changed he can change your trade password...

So, the trade password that SDE worked on so hard and for so long, is now just useless... Can't you see this?

P.S. I have never shared an account with anyone, but I know, understand and accept that some may do this inside fleets for fun, help etc