Originally Posted by joshmon999
Lol, Again , you didn't say whether or not the verification expires, I believe it does. So then no, you need to have the person's Login, password, their email, and password for that. Otherwise this needs to occur within the 30 min time frame. This seems to be why it was done this way. Again, I may be wrong , but I don't believe so.
You do realize that the confirmation code goes to the new email address, right? Perhaps you are unaware of that fact, because it seems as though you don't understand how the process works when changing your email.
Look at your account settings again. When you change the email, you get the confirmation code at the NEW email address. Therefore, I don't need the login and password for your email address.
I doubt someone would be so adamant in their stance without realizing that. It'd be quite embarrassing for you if you were blabbering away without knowing how it worked.
Copied directly from the page on the change email section:
Password :
New E-mail :
Confirmation Code :
A Confirmation Code will be sent out to your new email address after you click the “Confirmation Code” button.
Please contact one of our assistants if you have a problem with verifying your email address.
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I am unsure why you believe someone would need a person's email login and password. You need none of that.
Originally Posted by joshmon999
Also, "tacit approval" ?? They implemented a system of PIN and gave their reason for it. End of Story. If you're going to put thoughts in people's heads, or say"you did THIS, so THAT must be so" is the height of logical failure. "You can make assumptions" blah blah blah. Yes, a person dead set on ignoring all evidence to the contrary can make all the assumptions they want, but it doesnt change the reality on the ground.
They've said over and over again they don't want account sharing. They try to be nice and just put a PIN in, instead of telling ppl to screw off, and to help them make a better determination of "hacking" or not, but their reasons are their own. Lol, ppl like you will always try to take kindnesses like that and turn it into "tacit" approval. Or decide what it must mean they are 'really' thinking.
Well it doesn't sound like its "tacitly approved" anymore does it?
Are you unaware of what tacit approval means? Implied approval through inferred actions. Yes, SDE has consistently stated that they do not approve of account sharing.
However, as I stated earlier, there is no clear explanation as to why the second password is needed to access the trade system, the HQ, or the item shop.
You didn't answer the questions I proposed earlier, either.
If the second password was designed to prevent the deletion of sailors (as has been stated multiple times), why was it used as an additional password for email verification on the old site? Why is it used to access the HQ, trade system, and item shop?
If it were designed to prevent the accidental deletion of sailors, then there is no reason to have it implemented in other areas, correct?
And, when looking at WHERE the second password was implemented, it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to see what it was designed to block.
You have to be quite dense to not see what the second password was designed to prevent.
Originally Posted by joshmon999
As far as the account info, again , someone correct me if im wrong, but the first thing it says when you verify is that you need to re-verify after 30 min. This prevents account theft.
How does that prevent account theft? I can enter a new email and have it verified. Then, I can change the account password. Then, I can change the second password using my new email and password. You seem to not understand how the verification works.
The confirmation code is only valid for 30 minutes.
However, there is nothing in there restricting the ability to change passwords or emails within a 30 minute timeframe.
This is the second or third time that I've explained the process. Yet, you seem to be going off on your own tangent of how you believe the system to be set up and it doesn't make any sense. You are free to disagree with my explanations of the second password, but you probably shouldn't also ignore how things work or are designed.
Personally, it looks as though my reasoning of how the second password works is quite a bit more understandable than your understanding of the verification process.
Originally Posted by joshmon999
as far as sharing in general, I think it's lame. An HA is about team vs team, player vs player. Anyone complaining about that is just sorry they cant pile another 20 + BB6 into an HA, so instead of the big power hitters they should be , they are the minimum standard for sucess, thus preserving the unspoken advantages of having the oldest accounts on the server, or old retired ghost accounts brought out for HA and alt accounts. If i have 2 accounts, how is it fair to let another person play it during HA. The rules state that fleet jumping is off limits, so they already have issues with unfailry fluffing your fleet for HA, how is this any different?
Oh. Because it benefits YOU.
It doesn't benefit me in the slightest. In fact, the fleet that I am in has been quite vocal AGAINST the idea of fleet jumping, mercenaries, and account sharing for HA purposes.
I am pushing for increased security on the website concerning the email verification process. And, this increased security would directly benefit fleets that pawn off dozens of accounts for HA purposes to other fleet memebers or other fleets.
That would be a detriment to my fleet. It would be advantageous for me to keep my mouth shut and chuckle at all the fleets that can't bring 100 people to an HA anymore without a fear of losing accounts.
Jedi struggles to bring 35 or 40 people to an HA and the only accounts used by the non-original user are usually accounts where the person has long since quit or retired from the game, but has left their account in Jedi (some owners have been gone for 2+ years).
It would be of great benefit to our fleet, in particular, if all other fleets were restricted from account sharing.
