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  • CV XP

    10. 24. 2011 13:36


Bulldog35
  I'm was wondering if anyone else has noticed the xp problem cv drivers have compared to driving say BB.
 Everything is based off of damage done during battle either GB1 or GB2. As a CV driver I can get say 40-50k attack
(killing subs mainly) and 20k plus in plane kills and on a win net anywhere from 30-50k xp. I know that there has been
discussion concerning why hardly nobody grinds to CV6 and I'm saying this is the problem. Unless there is an event the
xp is slow coming to a CV where a BB on a win non-event can hit 100k xp on a great game. So I'm wondering is this
being addressed or is this what most say (it is what it is).

 

  • Re : CV XP

    10. 27. 2011 18:00


TSLordPred
Originally Posted by Lionel2

Originally Posted by Bulldog35


Hate to say this but sight = wins ... If I spent my time looking for fighters to shoot down then half the time the BBs would be blind. as for bombing well I know some that are good at it, but at expense of the team. getting 100k attack in a cv is nothing without the win. BBs wins the battles for the team cvs don't last 2 minutes without them. I posted about this because of many factors about cv xp.
1. Nobody knows what goes into calulating the xp gained 1000credit shootdowns : 20000 credits in shootdowns what's does it do for your xp?? cause I've had 20k in shootdown games and got less xp off of a win with simalar team attack and shooting down same tier fighters.


Sight may equal win but you said that you wanted to earn XP. If you have a big game in either fighter kills or with damaging and sinking ships, it makes all the difference in the world. There are only four outcomes

1) You bomb away and also win the game = big XP
2) You scout and win the game = ok XP
3 ) You bomb away and lose the game = ok XP
4) You scout and lose the game = no XP

I just grinded a CV crew from scratch to a PCV in a couple months and that is what I found by trial and error. If you listen to the BB babies you will get a 50/50 split between ok XP and NO XP. Guess what, sometimes you fly your fighters around giving them their precious sight and THEY STILL LOSE. Know what you get out of that? Squat, you wasted your time for nothing. You do it my way and either you get some good XP or if you lose you come away with something. If you are running a FW and you're fighting T4s with T2s or T3s then good luck. You'd better add some bombers or level them on a BB. I found that I didn't start getting decent XP from plane kills until I broke L90 or so.

The problem here isn't that the CV isn't earning XP, but rather it appears that you are trying to level a FW only. I suggest that you run some bombers on a mixed ship or that you level the fighters on a BB. It shouldn't be that you need to change the whole XP system just to fit your style of play.





unfortunatly you have a flaw... i run both fw with bombers. I average 30-60k attack with 10-20k in shoot downs. the final xp after the game... 30k..... and thats giving sight, shooting planes down and helping with bbs. ive ran this setup from t2's and the outcome is the same. If your a bw then u get more, if you do your job as a cv driver and do sight and scout you get no xp. Last time i checked its a team based game not a self serving one that most bw drivers portray.

  • Re : CV XP

    10. 27. 2011 22:33


adams67s
There are good points here. Usally with a win in a cv 5 - pcv i get 45k exp on BO and 40 K on pilots. Today i was getting only 5k to 10 k on plane kills and still getting pretty good 30 to 35k xp . I had a game in my maryland 224k attack and only got 50 k on at level sailors. Zero credits compaired to my Cv

I agree there is a lot more work in playing my cv. There should be a little better reward for cv's, But how will you base how the Xp increase is passed out ? who gets more xp ? the ftrs/ scout with 5 k attack that do more work ? or the BW who only look to get attack and dont care if there team wins or loses?
So now we are looking at the real problem .
XP sucks for the work. but how to fix the system , not bash it.
look for ward to suggestions on how to pass out the Xp if increased .

  • Re : CV XP

    10. 28. 2011 01:50


Maistral
no1shero, try doing 150K damage in a TBW Malta, winning the battle, without TKing (not even a mere splash), and get 22K exp per game even with prem. >_>

  • Re : CV XP

    10. 28. 2011 06:25


No1shero
hi all.

i just spent so long i lost the post, i will try to re-do it again soon, gutted, i'd done a lot of maths.

No1shero

-Editted-

lol, starting again .

maistral, thats really bad to hear bud, i hope my idea will help to fix it :).

Bomber damage - to be added to fighter XP
2k attack = 1k xp ( half attack = XP)
5k attack = 2.5k xp
10k attack = 5k xp
15k attack = 7.5k xp
20k attack = 10k xp - (after this point the xp raises 8% per 5k attack approx)
25k attack = 10.8k xp
30k attack = 11.6k xp
35k attack = 12.56k xp
(now we move to 1/3 of attack damage = XP)
40k attack = 13.33k xp
50k attack = 16.6k xp
60k attack = 20k xp
80k attack = 26.6k xp
100k attack = 33.33k xp
150k attack = 50k xp

all bomber xp the same as above, no matter what tier bombers.

OK, i am having isues with the maths for a fighter system, but i feel we do need a seperate system for bombers and fighters, then to be added at the end. This helps people play CV's how they like, with no/little penaltys on there play styles. My fighter system likely needs more working out, but i'll put down roughly how it goes below.

Fighter attack = to be added to bomber XP (rough draft). (Not including local fighters atm, more thought neededfor these to balance).

T1's - x2.5 of shootdown
1k shotdown = 2.5k xp
2k shotdown = 5k xp
3k shotdown = 7.5k xp
4k shotdown = 10k xp
5k shotdown = 12.5k xp
( i'd love to see someone with T1's get 5k shootdowns, lol, highly unlike, but they deserve the xp if they can in my opinion).

T2's - x1.5 of shootdown
1k shotdown = 1.5k xp
2k shotdown = 3k xp
3k shotdown = 4.5k xp
4k shotdown = 6k xp
6k shotdown = 9 k xp
8k shotdown = 12k xp
10k shotdown = 15k xp
20k shotdown = 30k xp

T3's - x1 of shootdown
1k shotdown = 1k xp
5k shotdown = 5k xp
10k shotdown = 10k xp
20k shotdown = 20k xp
etc

I'd like to think with the above system that CV5-6's will still be no use with T1 fighters ,trying to get the extra xp gain?. Its not a polished system guys, but hopefully something for everyone to get there teeth into to start us off.

some examples:-

CV 1-2 - (T1 FP/DB-TB) - gets - 1k shotdowns and 20k attack will recieve on a clean run - FP = 2.5k xp + Bomber = 10k xp = 12.5k xp(max) total

CV3-4 - (T2 FP/DB-TB) - gets - 6k shotdown and 60k attack will recieve on a clean run - FP = 9k xp + Bomber = 20k xp = 29k xp(max) total

CV5-6 - (T3 FP/DB-TB) - gets - 20k shotdown and 150k attack will recieve on a clean run - FP = 20k xp + Bomber = 50k xp = 70k xp(max) total - ( a godly run like this in my opinion deserves 70k xp)

I'm sure the fighter system needs more thought and work done, it needs to be good enough to encourage CV's to use there fighters to kill all the bombers about.Think i have redone most of it again now. All opinions welcomed.

Cheers
No1shero

  • Re : CV XP

    10. 28. 2011 07:50


adams67s
Thats a good start i think ,
But there are a lot of factors that you missed
Wins and lose of battle.
AAing personel Credits
Attacking with HH/ deck Guns.
T1 locals can easly get 1k to 5 k in plane kills . (if they stay by BB line )

Like i said i am not a fan of BW . So i would have to say losing team get 45% of proposed max xp
with winning team get 125 % of max xp that you proposed.
I think if there is a major difference in Win / Lose Xp it will make players focus more on team play not indivial achivment. Sound to me like this guy is all for him self .
I find that if i get 20 k in plane kills and 5 k attack i am avg. with a win 40k to 55 k Xp with a win ... So i am really not complaining. Plus i like the 150 + k in credits i am getting.

Once again its been suggested in this post to change yourplay style.
suggestion=something suggested, as a piece of advice:.

  • Re : CV XP

    10. 28. 2011 11:13


No1shero
Hi all..

I quickly editted my above post on the Fighter to now read:-

Fighter attack = to be added to bomber XP (rough draft). (Not including local fighters atm, more thought needed for these to balance).


I lost my original post because i took so long working things out, 1st post did say not including locals. i agree they don't fit in just yet, cheers for pointing it out.

On the point of AA'ing XP on shotdowns ,perhaps i'd suggest that needs a nerf to same as T3 xp i wrote about (shootdown x1). Perhaps that will help lower level AA players and slow down people AAing CV crews up to high levels and make it more viable to use a CV instead.

The other issues with gun - HH damage i was hoping someone cleverer than myself to help work some of that out, hehe. It gets a bit beyond me when it gets to finer details tbh.Let alone the techinal details of implementing any such systems,heheh.

Cheers
No1shero

  • Re : CV XP

    10. 28. 2011 21:03


adams67s
well i think you did a fine job.
i got some really good ideas base on what you wrote. i will work onthis with a spread sheet.to see how it turns out. after this next week i will have time to put some stuff together and will post here.


Also i just wanted to point out to the poster here that a bb5 kills a bb1 he loses XP . if a cv 6 ftrs kill cv 1ftrs there is no lose of xp or is there? who really knows. If you bomb a bb1 with a cv 4 is there a lose of Xp ?

  • Re : CV XP

    10. 29. 2011 17:58


Ewood
Originally Posted by No1shero

5k shotdown = 12.5k xp
( i'd love to see someone with T1's get 5k shootdowns, lol, highly unlike, but they deserve the xp if they can in my opinion).



This is from a game I've just been in...
[IMG]http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w207/mlvimes/NF1110291751450268.jpg[/IMG]
I KNOW I've done more in a game with at-level T1's.
Ignore the fighters, kill bombers and scouts.
Not like it's rocket science...

(If someone could amend this an tell me the code for puttin pictures in here I'd appreciate it)

  • Re : CV XP

    10. 30. 2011 11:23


Panzerkraker
Originally Posted by Maistral

no1shero, try doing 150K damage in a TBW Malta, winning the battle, without TKing (not even a mere splash), and get 22K exp per game even with prem. >_>


now now whats the prob?after all its BBfield or atleast thats how Ive always seen NF...nobody cares about cvs...and thats sad...very sad...

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