So since japan wasnt fighting any ways(besides china) why was it that most of the british and french territories were occupied by japan was the japs just baby sitting them you twit your an idiot and sorry to inform you if the us had not entered the war japan would have invaded russia as soon as stalingrad failed on the germans tri pact alliance and such

And now we know why I locked the other thread...

Hey Sindher, remember that time that Britain basically sacrificed the Lusitania to try to get the US into WWI? I can make posts that have little to no backing that say that ship was also carrying munitions and war supplies to lure the German submarine into sinking it just as easily as anyone else can post.

Pearl Harbor, Guam, Wake Island were all attacked as well as Thailand, Malaya, Philippines and Hong Kong being invaded at the same time. Saying that it's hard to lose track of 6 aircraft carriers might seem a bit more understandable in that context.

Saying that England knew about it doesn't seem to have helped since they still lost Repulse and Prince of Wales as well as having about 100,000 soldiers killed or captured and having Malaya and Hong Kong surrendering.

Actually, they did lose track of a fleet that big. JN-25 was only 10% broken at the time of the attack, and the Japanese had just changed their codebooks on December 4th. There was a stir in the naval intellegence community in the days before the attack, because it was realized that the fleet was gone from the anachorage. There is a standout naval intellegence officer that proposed that they were going to attack pearl harbor (I wish I could remember his name) however, the bulk of the community was convinced that they were heading to the Philippians. Because Kido Buta was moving through the north pacific and there were no scouting assets there, they remained unseen.

I'd like to know how Japan was backed into a corner. No one forced them to attack China and commit massed atrocities like the rape of Nanking. Also, I'd like to remind you that the Japanese had a "peace" delegation arrive in Washington just before the attack. Imagine that, sending peace envoys just before an attack. The only purpose they served was to hand deliver a declaration of war, timed to be received 30 minutes before the attack.

Did FDR know it was coming? He knew something was going to happen, but to guess and say that he knew an attack by 408 aircraft was coming on December 7th at Pearl Harbor is a bit much. There was intellegence about possible attacks everywhere. Hindsight and monday morning quarterbacking is unfair.

as in anything of historical significance one can look back and say: they did this to do this or that...
most people call this hind sight, others call it speculation or conspiracy


its like comparing roosevelts actions leading up to pearl harbor to G.W Bush on 9/11, get over it. Im American, a Naval Vet, and get quite irritated at the stuipidity of most civilians that have nothing better to do but hide behind a computer screen with their lack of... well, i'll leave that for speculation as well.


And yes it is quite easy to lose a fleet that large in 1941 considering lack of technology and actual tracking capability that was trust worthy, sindher you fail at realizing how primitive technology was in 1941, and the fact that you buy into conspiracy theory and actually believe it is rather amusing, rather than just considering it as a point of view and forming your own opinion shows just how shallow of a troll you really are


Pearl Harbor Day, 9/11, Flag Day, Veterans day, Memerial day, are all days of rememberance not holidays


and sindher 1 more thing: opinions are like A-holes, everyone has one, but no one wants to listen to it...
comments like yours are not neccessary just because your bored

this has gotten waaay off track, anybody can get blamed for what happend at Pearl Harbor, just the same as 9/11 and other historical world events

fact of the matter is... it happend, and it really isnt that hard to believe that japanese pulled off a surprise attack on a fleet, at anchor, on a sunday morning, during a time of peace and in 1941

we all continually look back at history from todays perspective rather than consider things from a perspective of that time frame to better understand the historical significance of what you read.

Dec 7th 1941 -- not -- Dec 7th 2011 the 2 perspectives are entirely different considering the technology and knowledge differences of 70 years

if you want to understand the brash stuipidity of leaders of countries... look at things during their time of power and what was going on prior to decisions that were made... big picture!

pearl harbor was a surprise for the Us pacific fleet..... we were not at war at that time
the only thing that could have pointed to a in-evitable war was the fact that we stopped supporting Japan with Oil that they needed and the only reason that they attacked the pacific fleet was they knew eventually we would call for a stop to whatthey were doing and step in. Japan's military leaders were afraid of teh US military and its industrial might in particular, and saw attacking us at pearl harbor as a way to stall the US from stepping in saying enough already, they didnt plan on the outcome the way it happend. Yammamoto figuired 1944-45 the US would be capable of stopping if they acted, VS 1942. it was a gamble and they lost... they actually over thunk things, we didnt want to fight the pacific and Euro wars at the same time, we were eventually going to enter the euro theater of war, deal with that issue then focus on japan..... speculation points to after 1945 un-provoked entry into war with japan if they didnt pull back and stop their land grab.

again speculation not fact and certainly not my opinion, but japan had no way of knowing how things would turn out if they ignored the potential U.S threat or eliminated the threat

either way yamamoto was right with one comment: i fear all we have done is awaken a sleeping giant, and filled him with a terrible resolve

so if your going to consider a historical event, atleast consider things from the perspective of the time the event took place... you'll understand history much more