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  • It is official

    07. 01. 2011 12:27


Tachikaze
  Just came out of a sortie where 8 of the BB at the start were not carrying scouts. This does not include a Nelson. And not one of the AA whore no talent leeching Moltkes was carrying a scout. No wonder the games just suck so much.

 

  • Re : It is official

    07. 02. 2011 18:52


whitworth
Most cvs are poor - and dont even line up properly at start
Most bbs are poor - and dont scout properly/drive due north/south.

The standard of current play is appalling.


There needs to be some change to encourage decent playing.
Extra xp for scouting might be a start....


Theres no fun to be had crushing the enemy - or being crushed. What we want is close battles.

  • Re : It is official

    07. 02. 2011 18:58


ljsevern
OP's hypocrisy is hilarious.

  • Re : It is official

    07. 02. 2011 20:20


Charles87
MOD SPOT:
1 - Please watch your personal flaming - Flame other players - you will find post locked.

2- There are some valid points to both sides of the argument - so I dont see why this cant be discussed for the ### time.

IN THE END - it is true that this is a game....and I hope that everyone who lives/dreams navyfield also has something else to do with their life as well because yes - it is meant to be enjoyed...not work.

Scouts are helpful - But good play is helpful too. If you want to help players - help them - if you want to play - Play - if you want to gripe - Gripe - but remember that its a game and not meant to make a person feel like they have to live a pattern thats the "norm".

From a personal spot - Im seeing ALOT of cv1/2 in play right now on nebby server (lvl 60 - 70 fighters) - these fighters you know are not going to match up with the t4 of the cv5 / 5.5/ 6 - so please understand that these guys may be bw for exp but in their support bays are Fighters and what not.

Counter point to my first point -
BBS - if you have a cv6 and cv3 and 2 cv2 vs a team with a PCV and 3 cv1 - and your cv6 is FW - How does it work that the cv 6 is the FIRST Cv sunk...by battleships...pushing a south vs bb5s and 6s.

In same manner - Bbs can scout - yes - not turn tail and run to wait for more FP to be launched.

Keep the convo civil and enjoy the discussion.
~Charles87~
Nebraska TNF.

PSS- IF YOU DONT LIKE THE CV PLAY THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS THAN GB2 *GASP*

  • Re : It is official

    07. 03. 2011 14:59


ljsevern
Originally Posted by Charles87
MOD SPOT:
1 - Please watch your personal flaming - Flame other players - you will find post locked.

2- There are some valid points to both sides of the argument - so I dont see why this cant be discussed for the ### time.

IN THE END - it is true that this is a game....and I hope that everyone who lives/dreams navyfield also has something else to do with their life as well because yes - it is meant to be enjoyed...not work.

Scouts are helpful - But good play is helpful too. If you want to help players - help them - if you want to play - Play - if you want to gripe - Gripe - but remember that its a game and not meant to make a person feel like they have to live a pattern thats the "norm".

From a personal spot - Im seeing ALOT of cv1/2 in play right now on nebby server (lvl 60 - 70 fighters) - these fighters you know are not going to match up with the t4 of the cv5 / 5.5/ 6 - so please understand that these guys may be bw for exp but in their support bays are Fighters and what not.

Counter point to my first point -
BBS - if you have a cv6 and cv3 and 2 cv2 vs a team with a PCV and 3 cv1 - and your cv6 is FW - How does it work that the cv 6 is the FIRST Cv sunk...by battleships...pushing a south vs bb5s and 6s.

In same manner - Bbs can scout - yes - not turn tail and run to wait for more FP to be launched.

Keep the convo civil and enjoy the discussion.
~Charles87~
Nebraska TNF.

PSS- IF YOU DONT LIKE THE CV PLAY THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS THAN GB2 *GASP*


I honestly think it is sad that this is coming from TNF. Scouts are essential. What gain do you have from not running one? A bit more repair (which is capped out) or a bit more OH time? SD caps out at level for PBB's with b/v/e.

On top of that, low level CV players can use locals or bombers to help their team; its when you see a CV4+ being a bomber whore and not doing a decent job. The autobalancer seems to not take into account CV setups; So a PCV level bomber whore can get paired against two fighter whored CV5 and you will get dominated.

On top of that, BB's can't scout when they are fighter camped. You have a bomber whore, your BB's will get fighter camped. Sure, they can run AA, but I find it pretty easy to avoid AA when i'm using fighters...

Further more, your other statement about other game modes; The only other mode I see is CV rooms which are CV only, and BB rooms which are ruined by 120 scouts.

The last plane patch which TNF balanced was horrible. Thanks to Blade and his select TNF members for that, i'm looking forward to fixing his mistakes yet again.

  • Re : It is official

    07. 03. 2011 15:24


Nephalem
I agree with Rampage here. When you play a competitive team based game, it should speak for itself you at least try to chip in for your team. When you play solo games, feel free to mess around however you like.
And if you simply wish to be a burden to your team, it should come as no surprise that the players that do want to get the best of of their games take offense at that.

That's simply how teambased PvP gaming works. At least attempt to do a good job or accept the fact that your teammates are gonna hate your guts. Nothing 'elitist' about that.

  • Re : It is official

    07. 03. 2011 20:54


Breech
After years of reading the same players posting the same complaints, it should occur to people that there are, appearently, only a dozen or so talented players in the entire game.

They should be happy that there are games where 8 BBs don't have scouts because they, in their ulitmate skill, will dominate the game from wire to wire and get 4-500k attack every time. Are they not happy with all that winning and domination? Not happy with showcasing their massive skillz?

Surely, in the complete absence of any skill, save the1 or 2 other skilled players who might just happen to be logged in at the same time as them, they must dominate every game they play. Is the lack of scouts in non-skilled players' boats making you pile up too much attack, making godlike players feel guilty?

  • Re : It is official

    07. 03. 2011 21:21


aingeal
Originally Posted by Breech
After years of reading the same players posting the same complaints, it should occur to people that there are, appearently, only a dozen or so talented players in the entire game.

They should be happy that there are games where 8 BBs don't have scouts because they, in their ulitmate skill, will dominate the game from wire to wire and get 4-500k attack every time. Are they not happy with all that winning and domination? Not happy with showcasing their massive skillz?

Surely, in the complete absence of any skill, save the1 or 2 other skilled players who might just happen to be logged in at the same time as them, they must dominate every game they play. Is the lack of scouts in non-skilled players' boats making you pile up too much attack, making godlike players feel guilty?


And the "elitist" are those arguing about giving your best for the team?

We all try and help new player or people that are doing something wrong. Difference is back a few years, people actually listened. They didnt go on "omg you elitist bastard that wnats to help me! I can play however I wish" rants.

Last time I tried to help someone was a player whining about his BB1 not getting any attack and BBs being crap.
I nicely whispered the guy if he would like me to look at it over with him as i was familiar with the line, and maybe could give him a few tips. Also mentionned type /r to answer!

He started ranting in all chat. Thinking he didnt see the /r comment or didn't know about it I repeated the command to use. He laughed, said whispering was crap and he honestly didn't give a damn.

In the end told him to then stop whining if he didnt WANT to get better, told him he was quite an idiot for his answers in all chat at my simple and just nice offer, and proceded to nuke his arse in game. Since then, I'm not bothering anymore.

If some people want advice or help they can whisper me in game or send me a message. I don't blame newbies. I blame eternal noobs.

  • Re : It is official

    07. 03. 2011 22:30


biglew97
Originally Posted by WaveKnight
IT IS A GAME!!!

STOP BEING FACIST AND LET PEOPLE PLAY HOW THEY WANT

stop whinging


Agreed! Let them worry about their sight and when they lose and bash then that is on them.... Personally I never roll without a scout....

{Spelling Police- Whinging is spelled= Whining!}

Lew

  • Re : It is official

    07. 03. 2011 22:47


KinLuu
Most BBs on Nebby have absolutely no clue what to do with sight, if given.

So it makes sense that they do not use scouts.

And it turns BW into the most effective CV setup. Hooray. -.-

  • Re : It is official

    07. 05. 2011 11:11


Tachikaze
It all boils down to the shared experience. It has allowed people to advance long before they learn the tactics and learn their ships. The high number of CVs in the game have spoiled the BB players into not using their scouts because they feel they can rely on the CVs to do it for them. Go into a blitz room sometime, see if anyone is using planes other than a Oyodo or a CV. If one does not learn in blitz, where you can advance in one week what use to take 6 months, you can see where no one has the ability or understanding in using a scout.

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