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  • Give exp...

    03. 21. 2012 21:35

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SiriusA

For TKing 8/9/10/11/12 planes launched on 1 pilot.

Or TKing the CV that launched them. 

Discuss. 

 

 

  • Re : Give exp...

    04. 04. 2012 20:44


MaskdBandit

Oh dear god, the broken, oversimplified logic of some players... 

1+1=11! See, two 1s makes 11. Duh.
-_-

Just because you can imagine a trail of events (tking your own team's planes and them therefore going :O EUREKA! I'VE HAD AN EPIPHANY!) doesn't mean it makes sense. If someone loads up 7+planes on one pilot, they're not going to learn anything other than which teammates to keep their ftrs away from in the future.

They're going to keep being an idiot because nobody ever actually taught them anything (like how their parents shouldn't also be cousins, or the basic math of how to launch planes quickly).

Gratifying, yeah I'll give you that, but it's about as gratifying as your Midway going north against a CV2. 

But wait wait wait. You assume that a CV pilot will be a noob with too many planes on one pilot, yet a lower lvl AA boat will not be a noob by shooting anything it sees, not knowing the difference between how many planes are from each pilot? You can't picture a scenario where, one day an AA player shoots a friendly plane, and goes ":O I GET BONUSES FROM FRIENDLY PLANES TOO??" and procedes to shoot every friendly plane it ever sees?

There are so many reasons why this idea will not be implimented.  It doesn't add to the fundamentals of the game. Though I'm very "pro-do something about planes on one pilot" like I suggested before. I too know how frusterating it is to see a Tico launch 11 on one pilot. Even if that's the only pilot with a ton of vets (another terribly noobish possibility), it doesn't excuse what you're doing.

  • Re : Give exp...

    04. 05. 2012 10:44


jubdub1

Originally Posted by MaskdBandit

Oh dear god, the broken, oversimplified logic of some players... 

1+1=11! See, two 1s makes 11. Duh.
-_-

Just because you can imagine a trail of events (tking your own team's planes and them therefore going :O EUREKA! I'VE HAD AN EPIPHANY!) doesn't mean it makes sense. If someone loads up 7+planes on one pilot, they're not going to learn anything other than which teammates to keep their ftrs away from in the future.

They're going to keep being an idiot because nobody ever actually taught them anything (like how their parents shouldn't also be cousins, or the basic math of how to launch planes quickly).

Gratifying, yeah I'll give you that, but it's about as gratifying as your Midway going north against a CV2. 

But wait wait wait. You assume that a CV pilot will be a noob with too many planes on one pilot, yet a lower lvl AA boat will not be a noob by shooting anything it sees, not knowing the difference between how many planes are from each pilot? You can't picture a scenario where, one day an AA player shoots a friendly plane, and goes ":O I GET BONUSES FROM FRIENDLY PLANES TOO??" and procedes to shoot every friendly plane it ever sees?

There are so many reasons why this idea will not be implimented.  It doesn't add to the fundamentals of the game. Though I'm very "pro-do something about planes on one pilot" like I suggested before. I too know how frusterating it is to see a Tico launch 11 on one pilot. Even if that's the only pilot with a ton of vets (another terribly noobish possibility), it doesn't excuse what you're doing.



THIS, PEOPLE, IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!!! HALLELUJAH!
TAKE IT BART, TAKE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

  • Re : Give exp...

    04. 05. 2012 11:42


Bart133

Lower level AA boats already don't shoot everything they see, even though there's nothing to stop them. And I've never seen a lower level AA boat shoot at friendly RM locals.

The AA players don't need to know that they're getting bonuses for TKing 11 planes on one pilot.

 

If for some reason an AA ship is TKing planes that aren't in massive groups, the CV can respond by manual bombing it.

 

Launching 10 planes on one pilot and getting them TKed should be a learning experience.

  • Re : Give exp...

    04. 05. 2012 12:40


jubdub1

Originally Posted by Bart133

If for some reason an AA ship is TKing planes that aren't in massive groups, the CV can respond by manual bombing it.



How will the CV manual bomb the AA ship if the AAer shoots it down? 

Fail. 

  • Re : Give exp...

    04. 05. 2012 14:26


MaskdBandit

Originally Posted by Bart133

Lower level AA boats already don't shoot everything they see, even though there's nothing to stop them. And I've never seen a lower level AA boat shoot at friendly RM locals.

The AA players don't need to know that they're getting bonuses for TKing 11 planes on one pilot.

 

If for some reason an AA ship is TKing planes that aren't in massive groups, the CV can respond by manual bombing it.

 

Launching 10 planes on one pilot and getting them TKed should be a learning experience.



Bart you're so simple it hurts my understanding of our gene pools. 
Of course they don't shoot at their own ships now you fool, they have no reason to. Give them any kind of possible bonus for shooting at their own planes and noobs will go batcrap insane over every friendly plane they see... And why would you give a bonus and not have it show up in game? Should we remove the personal credits AA ships and CVs get altogether?

And you think it's a "reasonable" way to manage the situation for the CV by TKing a ship? Lowering his exp by attempting to manual DB a friendly because some guy is shooting planes like a madman because of your craptastic idea? And what if they don't have bombers like lots of effective FW CVs?

Finally, why would you want getting screwed with frustration to be a learning experience? I never had to have my head shoved in the oven as a child to learn that thing gets hot. I ask that you please never have children, both for society's sake and for the obvious sake of your child. There are so many better solutions than what you're proposing that I could tapdance on my keyboard and get better results that don't frusterate new players, every single teammate, and the programmers all at the same time like yours does, just because you think it would be "funny" to shoot down your teammates planes.

  • Re : Give exp...

    04. 05. 2012 15:24


jubdub1

Originally Posted by MaskdBandit

Bart you're so simple it hurts my understanding of our gene pools. 
Of course they don't shoot at their own ships now you fool, they have no reason to. Give them any kind of possible bonus for shooting at their own planes and noobs will go batcrap insane over every friendly plane they see... And why would you give a bonus and not have it show up in game? Should we remove the personal credits AA ships and CVs get altogether?

And you think it's a "reasonable" way to manage the situation for the CV by TKing a ship? Lowering his exp by attempting to manual DB a friendly because some guy is shooting planes like a madman because of your craptastic idea? And what if they don't have bombers like lots of effective FW CVs?

Finally, why would you want getting screwed with frustration to be a learning experience? I never had to have my head shoved in the oven as a child to learn that thing gets hot. I ask that you please never have children, both for society's sake and for the obvious sake of your child. There are so many better solutions than what you're proposing that I could tapdance on my keyboard and get better results that don't frusterate new players, every single teammate, and the programmers all at the same time like yours does, just because you think it would be "funny" to shoot down your teammates planes.



Kudos to Mask to actually making an argument that cannot be beaten. Of course, Bart will find some way to say some other monstrously stupid thing supporting this again.

This argument also goes to the seven other idiots who recc'd this page.

  • Re : Give exp...

    04. 05. 2012 17:36


Bart133

CVs who launch 10 planes on one pilot deserve to have them TKed, and TKing them is not hurting the team (because they are not contributing).

 

If you launch 10 planes on one pilot, being screwed with frustration isn't enough. You need to get red experience in a shared exp room. Why? Because if you launch 10 planes on a pilot, you are an idiot. That's all.

 

It's no harder to tell that one pilot has more than 6 planes than it is to tell that a plane is an enemy. Let people know that they only get exp if there are 7+ planes on the pilot and penalize them for TKing groups of less than 7, and they'll get the idea.

 

 

 

 

edit:

Another thought jubdub1: when I originally made this post there were 7 recommendations on the page, including mine (someone recommended it sometime after I posted, and after you made your last post).

Assuming you think I'm a monstrously stupid idiot, which I think goes without saying, that leaves six other idiots who recommended the topic.

And at that time, you said "This argument also goes to the seven other idiots who recc'd this page."

Who's the seventh idiot?

  • Re : Give exp...

    04. 05. 2012 18:23


MaskdBandit

Originally Posted by Bart133

CVs who launch 10 planes on one pilot deserve to have them TKed, and TKing them is not hurting the team (because they are not contributing).

 

If you launch 10 planes on one pilot, being screwed with frustration isn't enough. You need to get red experience in a shared exp room. Why? Because if you launch 10 planes on a pilot, you are an idiot. That's all.

 

It's no harder to tell that one pilot has more than 6 planes than it is to tell that a plane is an enemy. Let people know that they only get exp if there are 7+ planes on the pilot and penalize them for TKing groups of less than 7, and they'll get the idea.



So you're an inexperienced player so you should be punished with frusterated? That's honestly the best way to handle this problem? Clearly no-one goes from launching 8 planes on one pilot, then down to 4/4, then back up to 8 because they think it's better. 

Also, doesn't change the fact that 10 planes on one pilot is, yes, terribly inefficient, but you're only hurting your team by shooting down your teammates planes. You aren't helping that match in any ways. If I group 3 squads of 3 and fly around a bundle of 9, is that "not contributing"? No, it's exactly the same as the 9 that the noob has, just his way is terribly inefficient. 

"Let people know"? What are you, Moses? You were saying "don't have the bonus show up in game" and now you want to magically let everyone know how your nutcase idea would play out in the game from this point on? Currently we don't have penalties for shooting friendly planes, because the only reason you might shoot a friendly ftr is if say there's an enemy plane you want dead now because they're stuck circling, etc, so you'd now be "punishing" the AA ship who knows that one enemy ftr stuck in a circle of dead with 5 of your ftrs just happens to be the only source of vision and needs to be shot down. Now you want to promote your players shooting down teammates fighters at all, rather than them only shooting if it's necessary. And the "it's no harder..." argument is dumb too. You're assuming noob CV players exist but somehow there are no noob AA players? That they're not going to start shooting shells all over the sky because they noticed, or even heard that you get extra exp/whatever from shooting friendly planes?

You still haven't given me one single reason why this is better idea than merely capping the amount of planes on one pilot. Your devine solution is so inconsistant, muddy and shortsighted, and comes from your simple desire to get more kicks and giggles out of "punishing" a noob player. You haven't gave a single retort to any of my arguments either. Not even mentioning that this game, a business first and foremost, is never going to encourage punishing it's newest members because they haven't yet learned the game. 

You can argue with my opinion, but you cannot argue with my logic.

Also, thank you jubdub1. 

  • Re : Give exp...

    04. 05. 2012 18:28


MaskdBandit

Why don't you ask them Bart? If they read the whole forum then they can answer you. If they just read the title and didn't bother to follow your nonsense then they won't. Just because you can get a few recc's, a grand total of 7 other people (not taking into account whoever you know/are connected to firsthand) thought it was a good idea. You can't even say you didn't just get someone else to do it for you in the first place, can you?

Your rhetoric fails again.  

  • Re : Give exp...

    04. 05. 2012 19:28


jubdub1

Originally Posted by Bart133

Who's the seventh idiot?



Well, now there's 8 recc's to this page, so I was just saying it in advance of the seventh moron that voted this up.

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