how in hell i want it as easy as possible while iam a BB player only and i DO NOT have any SS's or CV's in my account and u could ask the mods.

omg finally a sensible player who thinks clearly and knows that this thread is just a waste of time and for those who can't play the game pro style.

i mean they clearly want this game as easy as possible for them. i mean guys if you want it so easy and no challenge then why not just ask SDE to simply gives you the exp for money that way u don't have to play and deal with this "cheating" and be done with it.

if there are no such things then how r we gonna improve and be better players. besides let's be honest if you dodge a border humping DBs for several times and manage to survive to win the battle won't you feel good about yourself and that you actually accomplished something?

fixing border humping is the cheat, not the other way around. because i think this game needs a challenge (and iam not saying it doesn't have any challenges) but i consider Border humping an additional challenge to the existing challenges such as other experianced players and so forth.

@Ultra_Dog

I fail to see how I called upon that aggressity in your post. That said its not the first time, and sadly for you I do not feel totally nice right now. Note I won't insult you tough, contrary to you. I do not need to do that to support my point.



And about not talking about scouts, we are talking about border humping planes, so YES seeing as a scout has wings, prop and engine, and is designed to fly, its a plane and it is concerned. A BB can still have it border hump to pop up behind the enemy.

How maybe you want to argue its not a plane too?



Regardless, you overlooked the key points of my post, namely:


-Restriction to visual to prevent the border hump scounting - Acknowledged then as fixing the exploit somewhat, by not fixing it directly, granted, but by removing the advantage it could give. (this didnt fix bombers that relies on additionnal visual on target normally, rather than their own)





-In fact, border humping as we name it, planes ARE visually off border, the only thing you see are shadows north. You suddenly see a bomber wave popping up from the border. At max altitude for the north border, and at sea level for the south one. What you could be talking about is to send them close to border, to avoid the middle map traffic, without being off map, I have no problem about it. So long as they are still on the map, which isn't currently the case.




Are you truly so unable to argue against argument that have been said, that your only way to make sense is to blurt out ridiculous argument that have never been said and try to make it sound as if it was our evil plan to make the game BB heaven? It sure appears so.

You obviously need a good revision of what is an "exploit". Basically a mistake, an error in programmation allowing unwanted possibilities, bug usage. You kindly overlooked the point about the scout because it didn't fit your goal, but its still there, and furthermore, its still valid. Its the statement that acknowledge the identification of border humping as an exploit by TNF and SDE. Trying to argue with that is futile.

Altough, thats speaking logically. I'm sure you'll find a way to depict me as the evil BB player that wants to nerf bat everything with an impressive leap of logic and more of those fantasy arguments you seem to think are my plan to the future.

I never mentionned a referential for what class things where easier. just mentionned things would be easier, because apparently I care about whole game balance and fairness, not only my own class. Something you have trouble doing it seems.




I won't bother showing off credentials, those e-peen contest are purile and totally unrelated to the value of arguments presented. Your comment about how we "can't play pro style" is therefore going to be ignored. I sadly do not either feel the need to prove myself to you.


So arguing for CV to be able to hide their plane in the borders, is arguing to promote skill in the game? No its not.

As far as BB goes, they mostly will only spot the planes in the near vinicity. Its fighter CVs you are cheating out of interception, not the close range BB defenses (AA). So yes, you are arguing for a way for BW CVs to bypass FW CVs, that should hold the advantage on their planes air-superiority wise. Its a choice they make to concentrate on the air, and not on the ships. Thats their weight on the game balance.




It is already, as stated in my post to ultra_dog, recognized as an exploit by TNF and SDE. It is in a way Cheating, no " " needed.



How are BW going to improve and be better players if they always have that easy mode border to get their planes around? See once again how I'm actually thinking past my specialized ship class, and not you.




I'm so glad for you, that you are so much above your game, you manage to pwn so hard you are craving for more challenge.

However, I do not believe "challenge" should come from exploits.

Saying otherwise would be supporting including but not limited to :

-Fog hacks
-strato-altitude planes
-smoke see-through

Not saying you support those points, but you need to realize the difference between what is an annoying tactic, and an exploiting one.

Simply how I see it:

-Point that is considered border humping is an ESTABLISHED value by TNF and SDE as of patch (see Patch ver. 1.236 of November 27, 2008) (written going off the border. So yes its possible to pass the designed map limits with aircraft)

-Since there is a system already in place to detect the moment planes get the border penalty, simply add to this a small timer, and if the planes are not off the border after that, they die. No map on the map necessary.



Shadows are shadows, and the graphic level of navy field is far from being good enough for them to be the standout detection method. Furthermore, they can be turned off. I never heard of the counter of game content coming with an on/ff switch before.

And I personnaly do not have that much problem either, I normally do not extensively operate my BB near the borders, therefore I can after see them coming. It doesnt change the fact I consider this a cheating tactic, using game engine weakness to exist, And therefore I oppose it.

The main effect isn't vs the bombed BB, but versus the opposing CV FT that are avoided.

look you totally misunderstood me, when i say we r going to improve and be better players i mean the BB players not the CV players.

and if there are FW on my team and they do not see the border humping bombers then they have a problem cuz it is clearly their job to look for bombers near borders hence they are FW's.

and to be honest i haven't seen that many CV players who let their DBs border hump. most player nowadays r pro players who uses gabs between Fighter coverage areas to DB the enemy (note here i mentioned that those who border hump r unskilled yet still they choose to be like that by doing so) but that doesn't make it necessary to fix border humping as not so many do it and when it happens in a battle, the CV player who does will be easily identified.

so in the end guys this thread is worthless and we do not want to consume much of our time on such thread.

especially you aingeal or ljsevern since you guys think u r so pro that u don't need to prove urselves to me. so if u guys such a pro players why making so much problem about this thread? i mean you shouldn't mind border humping.

Left my part of quote there for you to re-read. Its exactly as I said : you aren't proning overall skills, only BB part of it. I have a problem with that.




How you figure they can carefully scan the borders for the small signs of an humping planes they have trouble seeing, while managing visual and countering regular bombers is beyond me. You obviously have no idea of the playing complexity of an seemingly simple setup. But its not, and its obvious you have little to no experience with a CV.




I'll avoid the obvious pun of you not seeing them being kind of the goal behind the maneuver, and rather point out how if it wasn't a widely used exploit, we wouldn't be having this discussion. I'm glad you see my point about improving server skill as a whole, and not only BBs.

Now this is a fail in the coding, so I believe it should be fixed. There is other issue that needs to be fixed, one in particular I have in mind that I heard had been fixed long ago till I saw something that made me doubt. Some are hard to use, some aren't.

I make no distinction, and consider both a deceiving way to take an advantage over other players that respects the rule. Otherwise, lets all just exploit shall we?

And no, its hard to identify for sure whose plane it is, unless you fraps follow them from take off up to the border. That mean being on the same team as the CV, pretty much since you risk losing visual otherwise.




Do I have ruined games due to Border humping bombers? No. Does it mean since I'm not personnally affected by that I shouldn't fight for fair measure for all class, and players? I don't think its related.

I have an issue with anyone using in game exploit to gain an ingame advantage they shouldn't have, and you could say I developped an allergy to it even. I once didn't cared, much like you do, and I was laughing at the bag when it blew.

Because it always blows. And it splatters shit everywhere.

People that were under me in my last 2 fleets could confirm this, especially when I was a fleet admiral. You didnt want me to catch you ghosting/exploiting/cheating.

Border humping is cheating and exploiting. It isn't designed in the game code and effectively makes bombers invincible.

It has been defined as an exploit by SDE years ago...