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Nerf HH's
07. 05. 2011 08:38
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Rick5000
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Hedgehogs are currently overpowered.
A few points:
- Surface damage
- Can be mounted on almost every ship
- Countdown time
Surface damage:
- A FF can now just kill/badly damage a CL. Just because of these PHH's.
- I see PCA's rushing in with 55-60 KNT, pop smoke, and fire 2 salvos on BB4-5 with results: Sinking bb4-5.
Can be mounted on almost every ship:
- It can really be mounted on (almost) every ship
- The requirements, level 12. So youre level 12, and mount PHH, and just go kill any ship up to CA.
Countdown time:
- When playing sub you can easily avoid HH when they are in the air, but what? Subs cross BB's and use rear torps. Kaboom HH fired. You go to critical, BUT THERES NO TIME! HH have a countdown of 2 seconds, including the time in the air (if your at angle 10-5) you have 3 sec for Critical dive. Go try out, play a sub, and search ASW, try to go to critical dive, but your in critical dive, you still die of those HH.
My idea for:
- Surface damage
*Nerf it from 7.20 Calibre to 4 or 5.
- Can mount on almost every ship:
* Improve the Required space a little, so FF's can't mount it (but DD's can)
* Improve the required space for PHH a little, 0.1 is a little too much. do 0.5 or something.
- Countdown time:
* Increase countdown time to 3-4 seconds. It is currently UNBALANCED for subs.
Subs are slow, but have good torpedo's and with engys they can have bb speed (slow bb then)
But what is there against subs:
- (P)HH doing alot of damage on surface & submerged, with 2 second countdown.
- DC with a nice 6 second countdown, to be honest this is too much and this should be 4-5
- Air: When surfacing they get shoot to hell even WITH smoke (1 Hedgehog shell does 1.000 damage or more)
So:
- Increase the Countdown time of (P)HH a little.
- Let the required space for HH a little increase.
- Nerf the surface damage and MAYBE the submerged damage.
This was my idea, it took me 30 minutes :P
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Re : Nerf HH's
07. 17. 2011 00:53
leaderwolf
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Really do think $DE is do that? LOL,why?PHH = money ,NF=/= real in all OP situation or not?
-Cant be mounted in every ship,special big ships
Ships is built for right propose not to be a universal cyborg,Other point is right.
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Re : Nerf HH's
07. 17. 2011 10:12
jikemenkins
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Originally Posted by Lone_RANGER
as it stands right now .. sub get spotted = sub dies ... sub runs out of air = sub dies ....
subs and torps have been nerfed in so many ways ... they need a slight buff now ...
Agree
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Re : Nerf HH's
07. 19. 2011 04:31
flaggelant
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they need a nerf in surface dmg to say the least.
been playing a FF(x) in blitz and i can sink an average of almost 2 ca's a game in my FF
besides nerfing dagame you could also ban them from blitz, no subs there anyways
or just stop dropping the things & give me vet packs instead! :$
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Re : Nerf HH's
07. 19. 2011 05:17
snailgod
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Originally Posted by Lone_RANGER
as it stands right now .. sub get spotted = sub dies ... sub runs out of air = sub dies ....
subs and torps have been nerfed in so many ways ... they need a slight buff now ...
Sub gets spotted, people start turning away, sub wins with super splash torps (Considering your first salvo is a surprise, and the first salvo is really all that is needed to get close to the damage to prevent them from using OH) I only recall 1 major sub nerf, that being the patch to get rid of their super-submergence (MEaning ability to take damage, not going underwater). Torps haven't been nerfed (The EXP is a problem, though, but that's not a problem related to sub gameplay). Subs actually have been buffed once or twice (Remember the planesman buff?) @Rick5000 You keep bringing up the fact that you can kill BB3-4 with your PCA with PHH when EVERYONE on this thread has agreed that PHH have a ridiculous amount of surface damage. The point of HH having a low countdown is that usually, they have a long hang time; so unless you're Crit-diving when the HH hit the water, you'll be able to dodge HH. Also, if you're getting within 3 HH angles of the BB, you shouldn't expect being able to dodge anything, ever tried dodging an Monty from 3-5 degrees? Solution: Just crit-dive a second after you fire your first salvo, wait for everyone to fire their HH, and come back up. Besides, the PHH rampage will only last as long as the events giving them away do.
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Re : Nerf HH's
07. 19. 2011 07:55
silentsubusa
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Look at it this way: Save your phh for when SS5 comes out this summer.
Dont whine about ss5 needing nerf and then run out of phh, save your phh for ss5. =)
for those wondering about this ss5 here ya go:
http://navyfield.com/Community/Forum/View.aspx?num=1069&searchtype=0&pagecount=0&searchvalue=&sort=5&category=C01&page1=2
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Re : Nerf HH's
07. 19. 2011 08:29
stuykid89
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Then I suggest nerfing sub torp damage.
The shear # of dmg that an SS torp does is ridiculous, and therefore requires an equally ridiculous counter. As long as the subs remain unchanged, I support the PHHs.
Also, from a business standpoint, it's more beneficial to SDE to keep PHHs the way they are.
Surface Damage: people see how much dmg PHHs can do to surface ships, they want to buy some for themselves to join in on the action
Can be mounted on almost any ship: Increases the # of people buying PHHs
Cooldown time: Lower cooldown time = more PHHs used = more money for SDE.
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Re : Nerf HH's
07. 19. 2011 08:45
Arrgh
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Recc'd for obvious reasons, hh should never be able to kill a SD class ship in 1 or even 2-3 hits.
It's for ASW, keep it just for that.
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Re : Nerf HH's
07. 19. 2011 08:58
ljsevern
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Originally Posted by leaderwolf
Really do think $DE is do that? LOL,why?PHH = money ,NF=/= real in all OP situation or not?
-Cant be mounted in every ship,special big ships
Ships is built for right propose not to be a universal cyborg,Other point is right.
Ban Altsein
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Re : Nerf HH's
07. 20. 2011 08:56
leaderwolf
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Originally Posted by ljsevern
Originally Posted by leaderwolf
Really do think $DE is do that? LOL,why?PHH = money ,NF=/= real in all OP situation or not?
-Cant be mounted in every ship,special big ships
Ships is built for right propose not to be a universal cyborg,Other point is right.
Ban Altsein
FORUM TROLL: ''In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory[citation needed], extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[3] Reading all your reactions severn...yup you are a troll according to the above definition. You are going off-topic by trying to provoke all into an emotional response about game skills. Truth hurts, doesn't it?.''
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Re : Nerf HH's
07. 27. 2011 21:40
pecuLIAR
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In real life, the HH's were introduced by UK, and they were really in the 7inch caliber range. They do have low space requirements and low reload times. However, at some 30-35lbs of TNT/Torpex, the NavyField variant's surface damage is just too much. That much underwater, with a direct hit is sufficient for submarine warfare, yes.. but with armored ships? Cmon.
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