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NF Fixer should be banned.
01. 14. 2012 22:38
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Maistral
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NF Fixer is pretty much an "AA macro" which tolerates AA spamming, while only changing angles, making players fire at planes easier.
In the words of a co-forumer, you shouldn't use a hotdog chewing machine in order to win.
You should chew the hotdog yourself.
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Re : NF Fixer should be banned.
01. 24. 2012 12:30
jf03
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Originally Posted by Lionel2
So sad the way you are acting. The rules say no macros that means no macros. Guess you are using it too. Feeling offended?
As matter of fact no... I don't and I'm in favor of these suggestion... I think NF-fixer should be part of the game... but I was just pointing out that accusing every one that uses NF Fixer as a cheater is the best way to drive people away from the suggestion... as I said earlier... so sad... take your time to read next time and try to argue without offending players... that should work.... Regards
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Re : NF Fixer should be banned.
01. 24. 2012 12:42
ZaGaTo19
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Originally Posted by Bart133
And nowhere did you explain how it violates any of those EULA passages. Copy-pasting a bunch of words doesn't mean you said anything.
it shoots for you want it more easy? something that shoots for you its a macro, and macros are illegal even if they just shoot, or just roll sailors or just move you so you dont get retreated IF SDE decides to implement it IN THE GAME its ok, that way anyone can easy access to him
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Re : NF Fixer should be banned.
01. 24. 2012 13:09
BlackGunner
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NF-fixer -Executable: NF-fixer.exe (Hereby referred to as A) -Resource: dsound.dll (Hereby referred to as B) -Resource: readme.txt (Hereby referred to as C) (.exe (Executable) Compiled executable from the source code.) (A) (.dll (Dynamic Link Library) Program Component) (B) (.txt (Text) Text Document) (C) NF Fixer in the words of the creator is a 'utility that allows you to change the volume of sound effects and music in Navy Field, and also fixes firing-while-rotating, and will terminate Navy Field if it locks up.' (C) NF Fixer overrides ingame sound/music volume controls that are already ingame via third party access to client. (A,B)
Originally Posted by Blackgunner
F. You may not modify any files which SD EnterNet does not specifically authorize you
to modify.
NF Fixer uses non-SDEnternet authorized transmissions to 'check' (Detect without consent of SDE or the server hosts) the status of servers online. (A)
Originally Posted by Blackgunner
B. Only SD EnterNet or its licensees have the right to host Navy Field. Accordingly,
you may not host, provide matchmaking services for, or emulate or redirect the
communication protocols used by SD EnterNets part of Navy Field, regardless of the
method used to do so. Such prohibited methods may include, but are not limited to,
protocol emulation, tunneling, reverse engineering, modifying Navy Field, adding
components to Navy Field, or using a utility program to host Navy Field.
C. You may not modify Navy Field to change game play, including, but not limited to,
the creation of cheats and/or hacks, nor may you use any third-party software which
is running at the same time as Navy Field that accesses files which are part of Navy
Field, for any reason whatsoever. Additionally, you may not utilize any "packet
sniffing" software, regardless of the operating system utilized by such software and
regardless of whether or not such tools are running on the same computer as the
Navy Field software or any computer connected to the Navy Field software or its
network, or otherwise monitor Navy Field's network connection while you or anyone
else is playing Navy Field.
(ii) All connections to Navy Field, whether created by the SD EnterNet software
products or by other tools and utilities, may only be made through methods and
means expressly approved by SD EnterNet. Under no circumstances may you
connect, or create tools that allow you to connect, to Navy Field's private binary
interface or interfaces other than those explicitly provided by SD EnterNet for your
use.
NF Fixer's instructions specifically dictate to extract the contents of the program into the program directory of Navyfield. Though not overwriting anything, it is adding an unauthorized component to the program and it's directory. (C)
Originally Posted by Blackgunner
B. Only SD EnterNet or its licensees have the right to host Navy Field. Accordingly,
you may not host, provide matchmaking services for, or emulate or redirect the
communication protocols used by SD EnterNets part of Navy Field, regardless of the
method used to do so. Such prohibited methods may include, but are not limited to,
protocol emulation, tunneling, reverse engineering, modifying Navy Field, adding
components to Navy Field, or using a utility program to host Navy Field.
NF Fixer 'macros' or 'simulates' (In the words of the readme file of the program itself) keystrokes, specifically the spacebar. Navyfield allows only a set amount of macros for text chat. No controls are authorized to be 'macroed' or 'simulated' without prior consent of SDEnternet. 'Macroing' is expressly forbidden. Macros span from sailor rollers to keystroke simulation, they're still macros and are treated as such, an unauthorized third party program. (A)
Originally Posted by Blackgunner
(iii) You may not use any tools which hack or alter the Navy Field client or server
software.
(iv) You may not use software products which "packet sniff" or provide scripting
and/or macroing to obtain information from Navy Field to gain a competitive
advantage over other players.
(i) You may not use or "exploit" errors in design, features which have not been
documented, and/or "program bugs" to gain access that is otherwise not available,
or to obtain a competitive advantage over other players.
(vi) Use bots or other automated techniques to collect information or communicate or
post any user's personal information in or on Navy Field, or websites or forums
related to Navy Field or SD EnterNet.
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Re : NF Fixer should be banned.
01. 24. 2012 18:21
Greenwings
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"(v) You may not do anything that SD EnterNet considers contrary to the "essence" of
Navy Field."
I think this is a very good point, Who has the final say? SDE or EULA.
Shall we delve into Socrates?
some Augmented philosophy phrases
I commit an action because it is "EULA"
What is "EULA"?
"EULA" is that which the "SDE" loves.
Is why does "SDE" love "EULA"?
Is...
the "SDE" love "EULA" things because they are "EULA" ?
the "SDE" love "EULA" things because they are "SDE"-loved?
Does SDE have the right to decide on their own decisions?
Or does SDE have to bow to the Law that is "imposed" upon them?
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Re : NF Fixer should be banned.
01. 24. 2012 20:55
Bart133
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Originally Posted by ZaGaTo19
it shoots for you
want it more easy?
something that shoots for you its a macro, and macros are illegal
even if they just shoot, or just roll sailors or just move you so you dont get retreated
IF SDE decides to implement it IN THE GAME its ok, that way anyone can easy access to him
No, it does not shoot for you. It repeats the spacebar as long as you have it held down. NF Fixer automates no task, unless you consider getting carpal tunnel from hitting the spacebar once every 0.4 second to spam those KM AA guns a 'task'. There is a fundamental difference between a sailor rolling macro, a bot that shoots and moves for you and a computer program that repeats the spacebar when you have it held down. It's hardly even automating anything, considering that you have to have the spacebar held down for NF Fixer to do anything. @Blackgunner: Write like a human please. And if NF Fixer did get banned, it would be completely possible to do the same thing by using a different program, or a programmable keyboard, or even a (undetectable) hardware modification. All you accomplish by banning NF Fixer is making it a tiny bit harder for people to do that.
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Re : NF Fixer should be banned.
01. 24. 2012 22:19
BlackGunner
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My above post summed up into a short paragraph:
NF Fixer is a third party program.
Navyfield does not allow third party programs.
It isn't 'banned', it's 'ILLEGAL'. As in law enforcement involvement.
A macro is a macro, regardless of it's function. Rolling sailors or repeating a spacebar. A macro is still within itself, a macro.
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I'll therefore assume that any posts made after this that are encouraging or defending the use of NF Fixer are those of 'criminals' that have violated the End User License Agreement which they agreed upon by creating an account here at Navyfield.
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Essentially, I'm considering this topic 'closed with prejudice'.
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Re : NF Fixer should be banned.
01. 25. 2012 06:03
jf03
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Originally Posted by BlackGunner
I'll therefore assume that any posts made after this that are encouraging or defending the use of NF Fixer are those of 'criminals' that have violated the End User License Agreement which they agreed upon by creating an account here at Navyfield.
ROLF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's what I called to be more Catholic than the Pope... 10 recommendations fo far?mhhhh not to much... you are surrounded by criminals... be aware!!!!!
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Re : NF Fixer should be banned.
01. 25. 2012 09:02
ZaGaTo19
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Originally Posted by Bart133
Originally Posted by ZaGaTo19
it shoots for you
want it more easy?
something that shoots for you its a macro, and macros are illegal
even if they just shoot, or just roll sailors or just move you so you dont get retreated
IF SDE decides to implement it IN THE GAME its ok, that way anyone can easy access to him
No, it does not shoot for you. It repeats the spacebar as long as you have it held down. NF Fixer automates no task, unless you consider getting carpal tunnel from hitting the spacebar once every 0.4 second to spam those KM AA guns a 'task'. There is a fundamental difference between a sailor rolling macro, a bot that shoots and moves for you and a computer program that repeats the spacebar when you have it held down. It's hardly even automating anything, considering that you have to have the spacebar held down for NF Fixer to do anything. @Blackgunner: Write like a human please. And if NF Fixer did get banned, it would be completely possible to do the same thing by using a different program, or a programmable keyboard, or even a (undetectable) hardware modification. All you accomplish by banning NF Fixer is making it a tiny bit harder for people to do that.
that is shooting for you you are completly mixing the meaning of shooting and aiming wich are not the same thing if it press spacebar for you, it shoots for you no program is unhackeable, making the thing harder its the point this is a skill based game, the guy with more skill should take the planes, not the guy with some random program shooting from him while hes free to aim and dont even stop shooting in the process even if he is a skill-less AA leecher
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Re : NF Fixer should be banned.
01. 25. 2012 11:34
Greenwings
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I recently explored some keyboards/OS programming loops can be made to repeat the same rapid fire command merely by holding down the key. This process now makes the program obsolete. In addition, these processes are so simple they do not even require NF to even be installed. Thus no information sniffing, no server checking, no sound modifications, no third party software data searching. It performs only one single function no more than that. Sure there is some lag as it works through the series of generated "space" commands, but there's no lag time between each signal. Hell it even works with Microsoft Office programs.
I simply hold down a key, like the space-bar, and it continues to fire, regardless of turning stationary. Essentially I'm telling the program to fire, and it does so, no multiple commands. Just holding down fire.
Are you going to request a ban on these keyboards/OS? Since the only real issue here is the rapid fire press issue?
I'm beginning to think you people don't even understand how most programs work. Let alone the difference between how the fixer was supposed to work, what it does now, and the wording in EULA. If I remember right, the original programmer discontinued the functions at the request of SDE or otherwise responsible parties, and is no longer "supported" (updated) by the programmer.
The hotdog should not be chewed nor eaten. For the hotdog is toxic.
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Re : NF Fixer should be banned.
01. 25. 2012 11:37
BradeLern
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Originally Posted by Blackgunner
(i) You may not use or "exploit" errors in design, features which have not been
documented, and/or "program bugs" to gain access that is otherwise not available,
or to obtain a competitive advantage over other players.
Actually, using NF fixer to help with the not being able to aim while shooting bug could fall under exploiting errors in design/program bugs to obtain a competitive advantage over players. For example: Player A does not use NF fixer, and so cannot shoot while aiming. Player B uses NF fixer, so can shoot while aiming Player B therefore has a competitive advantage over Player A because of the design flaw.
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