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NF Fixer should be banned.
01. 14. 2012 22:38
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Maistral
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NF Fixer is pretty much an "AA macro" which tolerates AA spamming, while only changing angles, making players fire at planes easier.
In the words of a co-forumer, you shouldn't use a hotdog chewing machine in order to win.
You should chew the hotdog yourself.
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Re : NF Fixer should be banned.
01. 25. 2012 15:42
Bart133
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Originally Posted by BradeLern
Actually, using NF fixer to help with the not being able to aim while shooting bug could fall under exploiting errors in design/program bugs to obtain a competitive advantage over players. For example:
Player A does not use NF fixer, and so cannot shoot while aiming.
Player B uses NF fixer, so can shoot while aiming
Player B therefore has a competitive advantage over Player A because of the design flaw.
What if player B instead pressed spacebar really fast? Would that be considered exploiting?
Originally Posted by BlackGunner
It isn't 'banned', it's 'ILLEGAL'. As in law enforcement involvement.
You, sir, are not the brightest light bulb in the trash can. Consider that SDE has accepted posts on the forum about NF Fixer. I'd like to see you try to take legal action. No, really. I'll use NF Fixer in the next game I play, take legal action against me. I could use the laughs.
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Re : NF Fixer should be banned.
01. 25. 2012 15:50
BradeLern
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Originally Posted by Blackgunner
EULA stuff
Originally Posted by Bart133
Originally Posted by BradeLern
Actually, using NF fixer to help with the not being able to aim while shooting bug could fall under exploiting errors in design/program bugs to obtain a competitive advantage over players. For example:
Player A does not use NF fixer, and so cannot shoot while aiming.
Player B uses NF fixer, so can shoot while aiming
Player B therefore has a competitive advantage over Player A because of the design flaw.
What if player B instead pressed spacebar really fast? Would that be considered exploiting?
Then I would have no problem with that. The issue that I'm bringing up makes the playing field unfair. I think that this should be an all or nothing venture. NF Fixer should either be used by all or none. I guess what i'm saying is that it should either be placed into the game engine, or not used at all.
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Re : NF Fixer should be banned.
01. 25. 2012 16:00
SiriusA
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Remove AA from the game...
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Re : NF Fixer should be banned.
01. 25. 2012 17:31
BlackGunner
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Originally Posted by Bart133
Originally Posted by BradeLern
Actually, using NF fixer to help with the not being able to aim while shooting bug could fall under exploiting errors in design/program bugs to obtain a competitive advantage over players. For example:
Player A does not use NF fixer, and so cannot shoot while aiming.
Player B uses NF fixer, so can shoot while aiming
Player B therefore has a competitive advantage over Player A because of the design flaw.
What if player B instead pressed spacebar really fast? Would that be considered exploiting?
Originally Posted by BlackGunner
It isn't 'banned', it's 'ILLEGAL'. As in law enforcement involvement.
You, sir, are not the brightest light bulb in the trash can. Consider that SDE has accepted posts on the forum about NF Fixer. I'd like to see you try to take legal action. No, really. I'll use NF Fixer in the next game I play, take legal action against me. I could use the laughs.
SDEnternet and Team NF are looking into the legal ramifications right now. So far, it doesn't look all too bright for NF Fixer's future. That's why I 'ended' the topic like I did. It will soon be deemed either legal or illegal to use by SDEnternet and Team NF. I'd prefer not to be in the kill zone when the banhammer comes down, as I've made a solid legal case regarding it, and am confident that the final decision will reinforce that case.
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Re : NF Fixer should be banned.
01. 25. 2012 19:25
normpearii
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Originally Posted by richardphat
Well, even without NF fixer, I can still train my gunfire and fire continuously by holding my spacebar. (Using a PS2 keyboard)
So at the end, NF fixer or not it still does the same thing.
And if we were to ban nf fixer, we should just ban all player with their gaming keyboard with macro feature on it.
Sure you can fire it like that, but the second you press any other key, it not long fires, a issue caused by the game not handling key commands efficiently. *****************************
Originally Posted by BlackGunner
SDEnternet and Team NF are looking into the legal ramifications right now. So far, it doesn't look all too bright for NF Fixer's future.
That's why I 'ended' the topic like I did. It will soon be deemed either legal or illegal to use by SDEnternet and Team NF. I'd prefer not to be in the kill zone when the banhammer comes down, as I've made a solid legal case regarding it, and am confident that the final decision will reinforce that case.
Explain how use of a program to Repeat a command every 0.5 seconds is "Illegal", the same process can be done by rapidly tapping the spacebar key. Which is humanly possible to do faster than the AA reload time of all the guns in game. After 5 years and multiple "acceptances" by previous heads of TNF, Even mentioning that being able to fire while turning the guns in rapid succession was how the game was suppose to work. Its a "Fixer" Functions in NF-Fixer in the past (Loading of planes quicker) have been added to the game in the past. (Scroll Wheel to add Planes to selection to load). It should be incorporated into the game, then it will have no point and no one would care about it anymore.
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Re : NF Fixer should be banned.
01. 25. 2012 19:44
Maistral
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Well, If totally banning the NF Fixer isn't gonna work, the planes would be the things that need to be adjusted, then. After all, the main problem is that the planes cannot descent as fast as the AA guns change angles, which, in combination with NF Fixer, is just broken.
I suggest that the planes be able to descend or ascend faster than now. That way both sides would be kept guessing.
http://fm.en.kupaisky.com/Community/Forum/View.aspx?num=6866&searchtype=0&pagecount=0&searchvalue=&sort=5&category=D02&page1=1
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Re : NF Fixer should be banned.
01. 25. 2012 21:43
BlackGunner
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Originally Posted by normpearii
Originally Posted by richardphat
Well, even without NF fixer, I can still train my gunfire and fire continuously by holding my spacebar. (Using a PS2 keyboard)
So at the end, NF fixer or not it still does the same thing.
And if we were to ban nf fixer, we should just ban all player with their gaming keyboard with macro feature on it.
Sure you can fire it like that, but the second you press any other key, it not long fires, a issue caused by the game not handling key commands efficiently. *****************************
Originally Posted by BlackGunner
SDEnternet and Team NF are looking into the legal ramifications right now. So far, it doesn't look all too bright for NF Fixer's future.
That's why I 'ended' the topic like I did. It will soon be deemed either legal or illegal to use by SDEnternet and Team NF. I'd prefer not to be in the kill zone when the banhammer comes down, as I've made a solid legal case regarding it, and am confident that the final decision will reinforce that case.
Explain how use of a program to Repeat a command every 0.5 seconds is "Illegal", the same process can be done by rapidly tapping the spacebar key. Which is humanly possible to do faster than the AA reload time of all the guns in game. After 5 years and multiple "acceptances" by previous heads of TNF, Even mentioning that being able to fire while turning the guns in rapid succession was how the game was suppose to work. Its a "Fixer" Functions in NF-Fixer in the past (Loading of planes quicker) have been added to the game in the past. (Scroll Wheel to add Planes to selection to load). It should be incorporated into the game, then it will have no point and no one would care about it anymore.
Once again... Read the previous posts. If you haven't read the entire discussion, there isn't really any point posting anything that you expect to be taken seriously.
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Re : NF Fixer should be banned.
01. 25. 2012 22:00
Lionel2
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Originally Posted by SiriusA
Remove AA from the game...
waiting > NF fixer
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Re : NF Fixer should be banned.
01. 25. 2012 23:56
Bart133
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Originally Posted by BlackGunner
Once again... Read the previous posts. If you haven't read the entire discussion, there isn't really any point posting anything that you expect to be taken seriously.
Wait. You seriously think that the contract is binding in a court of law? And then you post something about 'being taken seriously'? jajajaajajajajjajajajajjajajajajajajajaaajajajajjajajjjaaajajajajajajajajajajajajaa ajjajajajajajajajajajajajajajaajaja jajajajajajajajajajajajajaja aja also, 'legal ramifications' of a utility program for an online video game? ajajaa And you can't expect anyone to read your previous posts when you write like some kind of cross between an industrial robot, a fake Monty Python sketch about lawyers and the TV Tropes Forum. And you seem to think you're making a legal case about video game rules. also, deporta AA!
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Re : NF Fixer should be banned.
01. 26. 2012 17:26
normpearii
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Originally Posted by BlackGunner
Once again... Read the previous posts. If you haven't read the entire discussion, there isn't really any point posting anything that you expect to be taken seriously.
I rarely don't read the entire thread. I read all 8 pages, including your fail of an explanation of how you think things work. Seriously explain what makes you think the Eula of the Game can be used in the due process of law to "punish" people using software that the game owning company has not banned? Come back after you've read some law books. The only way an Eula is used in the court of law is to protect the decisions of the game owning company from being sued from people like you who don't understand the fundamentals of how the justice system works involving agreements such as an Eula or a Terms of Service or other documents that must be accepted to use such a service. The Eula for example, makes it so if you were banned, you couldn't sue SDE for loss of premium items. It can't be used to sue a game company for their interpretation of their own rules. The one and only function of an Eula is setting rules and punishments officially to legally protect the parent company that owns the game.
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