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NF Fixer should be banned.
01. 14. 2012 22:38
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Maistral
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NF Fixer is pretty much an "AA macro" which tolerates AA spamming, while only changing angles, making players fire at planes easier.
In the words of a co-forumer, you shouldn't use a hotdog chewing machine in order to win.
You should chew the hotdog yourself.
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Re : NF Fixer should be banned.
01. 26. 2012 23:25
BradeLern
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I have to agree with norm here that the EULA really is there just to covor SDE's butt in the case of getting sued.
@ norm,
Earlier you said "Explain how use of a program to Repeat a command every 0.5 seconds is "Illegal", the same process can be done by rapidly tapping the spacebar key. Which is humanly possible to do faster than the AA reload time of all the guns in game. (sorry, I'm too lazy to quote normally)
People can argue that there is a precedent here with macros w/regard to the sailor rolling macros. It's humanly possible to roll the sailors by yourself, but if you use a macro to do it for you, it's a whole lot simpler and easier. NF fixer is just pressing the spacebar for you, but it's the same idea as a sailor rolling macro, just shooting wise.
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Re : NF Fixer should be banned.
01. 27. 2012 09:23
Greenwings
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Originally Posted by BradeLern
People can argue that there is a precedent here with macros w/regard to the sailor rolling macros. It's humanly possible to roll the sailors by yourself, but if you use a macro to do it for you, it's a whole lot simpler and easier. NF fixer is just pressing the spacebar for you, but it's the same idea as a sailor rolling macro, just shooting wise.
Given, that we call them the same thing, macro, that is essentially where they start to differ... I was just looking up some topics for this post, apparenty they use screen coordinates, color checking, a series of if-then checks, hexidecimal programming. This is designed to roll, check, accept, and classify sailors that require more than a mere button press and mouse click/movement. Whereas.... fixer generally is just a button press if not a simple process for even the most inept of programmers..
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Re : NF Fixer should be banned.
01. 27. 2012 19:56
BlackGunner
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The point in question is not 'if' the program in itself is a macro.
That is already 'confirmed' that it is a macro, being a program that repeats the keystroke without any further input from the user.
The real 'issue' at hand, is that Navyfield does not already have this built in. And because it isn't built in to Navyfield and it's engine, people assume that it's perfectly ok to use a third party program that does what the program should have done in the first place.
The arguement isn't that the problem itself exists in the game, the problem is the way people go about 'circumventing' the issue.
I'm sure NF Fixer is 'convenient' and 'useful' for not having to mash the spacebar like you're powerjerking in the Walmart restroom. That isn't the arguement, though. The issue that arises is: It may full well fix the glitch within Navyfield, but it is not authorized or licensed to be used with Navyfield.
SDEnternet specifies that no program that interacts with, whether directly or indirectly, to the client is to be running at the same time the client is. A program that is 'macroing' a key press that is used as a control key within the Navyfield client, draws the line between the dots that it is in fact 'interacting' with the client. It's pretty clear-cut.
Essentially, the choice is simple when it comes down to it. Buy a decent keyboard that can withstand your spacebar mayhem, or don't play.. I mean really, how much is a decent keyboard anymore? $20-30? Considering the amount of money people spend on premium, experting, and vetting, I don't think it's asking too much.
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Re : NF Fixer should be banned.
01. 27. 2012 20:22
normpearii
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Originally Posted by BlackGunner
That is already 'confirmed' that it is a macro, being a program that repeats the keystroke without any further input from the user.
You have to hold down the key to fire. That by definition is considered "User Input" Unless a company clearly lays out that something is illegal, it is not a bannable offense. How many times have we seen perma-bans in NF and other games negated by different interpretations of the same set or rules. I'm thinking its time for a poll.... Lets see how many use NF-Fixer and who doesn't. Anyone else up for that? I can send in a request for a poll. SDE will then be almost forced to make an official response and then this whole argument can end once and for all....
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Re : NF Fixer should be banned.
01. 27. 2012 20:32
Bart133
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Originally Posted by BlackGunner
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Keep typing these long irrelevant piles of random words. It makes me laugh. And you're saying exactly the same thing in every post, and never saying anything as to why other people are wrong. NF Fixer is ~not~ already confirmed to be a macro, because you are not the ultimate arbiter of the definition of a macro. Nor are you the ultimate arbiter of SDE's policy or decisions on their EULA.
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Re : NF Fixer should be banned.
01. 27. 2012 21:17
bloodsky
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I love NF Fixer.
Its been allowed for the past 3 years and i dont see why it should be banned, because anybody can achieve the same effect with a gaming keyboard or any other key repeating software..
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Re : NF Fixer should be banned.
01. 29. 2012 12:27
BlackGunner
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Originally Posted by bloodsky
I love NF Fixer.
Its been allowed for the past 3 years and i dont see why it should be banned, because anybody can achieve the same effect with a gaming keyboard or any other key repeating software..
This is true. And those aren't a problem. NF Fixer is a 'third party program'. That in itself makes its use a violation. -=-=-=-=-=- It may help users do something that should have been included in Navyfield in the first place... But those functions weren't included in Navyfield in the first place. Whether that was on purpose or unintentional, it doesn't give you the all-clear to use a third party program to 'fix' a game that it is not licensed to actually 'fix'. Either petition the developers to fix the bugs, or stop playing. This is how it always has been, if you recall those things called 'patches' that come out every once in a while. -=-=-=-=-=- NF Fixer is confirmed to be a macro, because the creator of the program itself has said it is a macro. It's already clear I use 'sources' of information, not just random information off the top of my head. Put your e-ego aside and do some real work on looking up this information before trying to bull**** your way out of it.
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Re : NF Fixer should be banned.
01. 29. 2012 18:48
Bart133
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Originally Posted by BlackGunner
This is true. And those aren't a problem.
NF Fixer is a 'third party program'.
That in itself makes its use a violation.
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It may help users do something that should have been included in Navyfield in the first place...
But those functions weren't included in Navyfield in the first place.
Whether that was on purpose or unintentional, it doesn't give you the all-clear to use a third party program to 'fix' a game that it is not licensed to actually 'fix'.
Either petition the developers to fix the bugs, or stop playing. This is how it always has been, if you recall those things called 'patches' that come out every once in a while.
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NF Fixer is confirmed to be a macro, because the creator of the program itself has said it is a macro. It's already clear I use 'sources' of information, not just random information off the top of my head. Put your e-ego aside and do some real work on looking up this information before trying to bull**** your way out of it.
NF Fixer is allowed. This is a fact, and no amount of lawyering on your part can change it. What makes you think you have a better understanding of the ingame rules and EULA than anyone else in the world?
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Re : NF Fixer should be banned.
01. 29. 2012 19:16
Bloodlines
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simply put since installing fixer I do not wear out my fire button any more, I have worn out 2 programmable mice buttons and a space bar key hitting repeatedly when aaing so this saves me money on hardware. all be it a tad slower but still very effective
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Re : NF Fixer should be banned.
01. 29. 2012 19:55
FalleNStaR
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Originally Posted by Maistral
Well, If totally banning the NF Fixer isn't gonna work, the planes would be the things that need to be adjusted, then. After all, the main problem is that the planes cannot descent as fast as the AA guns change angles, which, in combination with NF Fixer, is just broken.
I suggest that the planes be able to descend or ascend faster than now. That way both sides would be kept guessing.
http://fm.en.kupaisky.com/Community/Forum/View.aspx?num=6866&searchtype=0&pagecount=0&searchvalue=&sort=5&category=D02&page1=1
yes i agree. the planes ascend/descend speed definitely needs a tune up. maybe even a "barrel roll" button to get out of insane AA. As for fixer i think it should be banned for now until SDE "fixes" it..
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