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  • New poll for HA time schedule

    08. 10. 2011 20:54


zitroneGM
At our forum, farazelleth suggested a new time schedule for the current HA. His purpose was to arrange the time schedules easier to participate from different timezones. We agreed that it is worth to discuss, so we started a poll for this issue. Check his suggestion, and give us your opinion!


*Go to poll

*Suggested time schedules by farazelleth (See full thread)

 


Thanks,
zitroneGM

 

  • Re : New poll for HA time schedule

    08. 15. 2011 23:12


garylizncu
I just wish to speak of the trueth. The trueth is there is nothing call absolute fairness. If there is someone can gain from this new schedule, someone else benefit must be sacrificed. This is the universal rules.

What I am trying to say is if we are going to change the schedule at least consult all of the harbor holders. For example and just for example (No offense please ) :

If Blacksun will have a better position to attack Armored Angels at Tokyo harbor by passing this schedule, Is it fair to the Armored Angels?

The original schedule has been going on for a long time, why suddenly must we change it? If SDE will wish to reset the current order of HA, what about the investment those harbor holders put in?

Please think about those questions, you might have a better idea on what’s really going on there.

  • Re : New poll for HA time schedule

    08. 16. 2011 00:33


farazelleth
Alot of interest has been generated recently, which is a good thing. I would like to say I'm not Doctor Evil with a masterplan to change HA times so I can dominate the world. It just seemed like a logical change, ergo my suggestion thread which was turned into a poll.

After the massive poll swing from 90% yes to 40% in the period of 6 hours and the discovery un-verified accounts could vote I became highly suspicious and sent a ticket to DarkGM to validate the voting.

His reply was....




*Edited: Personal Communication is not to be shown on the forums. You can explain the answer you got, but there is no need to paste the Ticket - Ny*

  • Re : New poll for HA time schedule

    08. 16. 2011 01:26


BadSpecS
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  • Re : New poll for HA time schedule

    08. 16. 2011 02:07


garylizncu
Fara,

I think there are a lot of things to discuss. There are some questions for you and please listen it and consider it carefully.

1, How do you know someone is using unverified account to vote in the first place? If none of your friends did this, how do you know that? Actually, the truth may be very simple.

Do you know how many Asian Players play this game? How many of them go to this forum everyday? If some day they suddenly found out their best interest has been sacrificed, the only thing they can do is to vote. What do you think you will do? That might be the truth for the suddenly come out votes.

2, In the HA, the attacking fleet always has a choice on which to attack. What about the defense team? Do they have a choice except giving up their precious harbor? So, shifting the entire HA schedule will definitely help some players to play HA, but also make some players quit HA. This could happen within One Fleet, because some fleets were so diversified.

So, who decide who are going to play HA and who will not? The God? SDE? Or You?

Ok, so, will we going to reset the HA, just because new schedule? What about the investment they put in?

Last time when four servers combine to twos, all the harbor holders got partial credit of their investment back. What about this time? Do you ever consider this issue?

3, there are always winners and losers in the HA. However, one certain fleet may take advantage from this schedule and win the HA, only because the new schedule is good for them. Should this consider to be some kind of cheating? Which way do you prefer , lose with honor and respect or win with a shame??

What I am trying to do is to let more people to see the truth of this event and poll. They may have a second thought on what they know and what they will vote. Politics is always dirty and propaganda may be blind some peoples. The most important is to let more people to see the inside of it and the holy truth.

  • Re : New poll for HA time schedule

    08. 16. 2011 02:37


Vawlkus
Originally Posted by garylizncu

Fara,

I think there are a lot of things to discuss. There are some questions for you and please listen it and consider it carefully.

That goes both ways.

Originally Posted by garylizncu
1, How do you know someone is using unverified account to vote in the first place? If none of your friends did this, how do you know that? Actually, the truth may be very simple.

We used one of our fleet storage accounts to test it, and Fara posted the results.
We found an exploit, and we reported it to $DE. What they do with it is up to them

Originally Posted by garylizncu
Do you know how many Asian Players play this game? How many of them go to this forum everyday? If some day they suddenly found out their best interest has been sacrificed, the only thing they can do is to vote. What do you think you will do? That might be the truth for the suddenly come out votes.

So 500 people all decided to vote within the same hour or so? Sorry, I find that hard to believe.

This is not NF Asia. I know you'll just scream "discrimination" but that's the blunt fact: THIS server was established IN North America to service NORTH AMERICA. There are other servers out there to service other areas, like NFEU, NFKR, etc. If people from other areas want to play on THIS server, that's fine, but this one server CANNOT service the whole damn world. It's just not gonna happen. Some people will always be pissed off at decisions made.
Originally Posted by garylizncu
2, In the HA, the attacking fleet always has a choice on which to attack. What about the defense team? Do they have a choice except giving up their precious harbor? So, shifting the entire HA schedule will definitely help some players to play HA, but also make some players quit HA. This could happen within One Fleet, because some fleets were so diversified.

Some will be happy, some won't be. That's the case with EVERY decision ever made in the history of this server.

Originally Posted by garylizncu
So, who decide who are going to play HA and who will not? The God? SDE? Or You?

Ok, so, will we going to reset the HA, just because new schedule? What about the investment they put in?

Last time when four servers combine to twos, all the harbor holders got partial credit of their investment back. What about this time? Do you ever consider this issue?

$DE will decide since it's their company, and their damn server. Fara has made a recommendation based on research done while he's been talking to several fleets, and observing many HAs. You do watch his HA videos, don't you?

BS is VERY MUCH aware of the 'credit' given in regards to held harbors from the server merge, considering it cost US 18 months of hard defense and a gigantic amount of investment, which was totally written off.
Did we scream and complain for months on end? No. We said it sucked on the old forums, and we moved on from there.
Again, $DE's server, $DE's choice. Doesn't mean it'll be perfect, or good.
Originally Posted by garylizncu
3, there are always winners and losers in the HA. However, one certain fleet may take advantage from this schedule and win the HA, only because the new schedule is good for them. Should this consider to be some kind of cheating? Which way do you prefer , lose with honor and respect or win with a shame??

Are you serious? Fleets aren't attacking harbors at all. Why? Because they say the harbors are AT INCONVIENENT TIMES. The purpose of this suggestion was to shift the times to something more players would find convienient. NOT ALL PLAYERS, JUST MOST.
Here's a logic statement for you: "The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few. Or the one".

Originally Posted by garylizncu
What I am trying to do is to let more people to see the truth of this event and poll. They may have a second thought on what they know and what they will vote. Politics is always dirty and propaganda may be blind some peoples. The most important is to let more people to see the inside of it and the holy truth.

And who decides what is the "holy truth"? YOU?

  • Re : New poll for HA time schedule

    08. 16. 2011 03:05


ljsevern
Originally Posted by garylizncu

Originally Posted by bloodsky


Changing the times with a poll is unfair? Really?

Keep in mind you play NFNorthAmerica, whos target audience is North Americans and their needs..

NFHK recently opened, im sure their time zones may fit you better.


Is this an official statement from SDE or Yuno ? Or, this is just your personal aspect?

NFNA server gives everyone who can connect to the server equal opportunity to play a game. I think that makes NFNA so international and so prosperous comparing other servers arround the world. I think most of players are very happy to see this happened.

As one of official in the fleet or in the forum, please think about it before you actually say it, Unless what you are really trying to say is you are discriminate players from a foregin country .


Actually, the policy always has been the best time for the majority. That is for fleet leagues, fleet wars, fleet events and with this. The majority of players are in the US and EU. Thus the times indicate that.

  • Re : New poll for HA time schedule

    08. 16. 2011 03:11


farazelleth
errr thank you Vawlkus for the passionate defense :)

Suffice to say I made a suggestion, then sent in a ticket. The GM's really liked the idea so made a poll for a "democractic vote". These changes were not made to benefit the American time zones only. The Tokyo change benefits everybody and the Hamburg/Newyork change benefits Europe the most.

Yes I get it, some Asian fleets/players who already own Hamburg or New York are going to potentially lose out because its 2 hours earlier. With the argument hey we invested lots of time and money defending this harbour since merger, what about compensation?!

My response to you is, nobody lost out more than Blacksun in the merger. We lost Hamburg and our 10'000 production rental BB5's. But we realised it was for the greater good and saw it as a new oppertunity.These time changes could offer a new competition for yourselves, Tokyo is a prime target for everybody now.

I've said it before, if you don't like my times, offer an alternative. If you want to Keep Hamburg and New York the same but change Tokyo then say so. Simply voting No keeps prevents us from moving forward.

  • Re : New poll for HA time schedule

    08. 16. 2011 03:15


Sindher
Originally Posted by garylizncu
If Blacksun will have a better position to attack Armored Angels at Tokyo harbor by passing this schedule, Is it fair to the Armored Angels?



Hello Dallion, look at your fleet, now back to mine, now back to your fleet, now back to mine. Sadly, your fleet isn't mine, but if yours stopped worshipping kangaroos and switched to using skill, you fleet could be as good as mine. Look down, back up, where are you? You're in the harbour tile with a team of 35 players your team could look like. What's that in your screen, back at me. I have it, it's Tokyo Harbour, that thing you love. Look again, it's now been burned to the ground. Anything is possible when your fleet is BlackSun. I'm in a Nebraska.

  • Re : New poll for HA time schedule

    08. 16. 2011 03:39


kamus71
voted yes

  • Re : New poll for HA time schedule

    08. 16. 2011 03:57


hp7890
*is an Asian player who has taken part in multiple London HAs at 4 on a Sunday morning*

*hears about people whining about Hamburg and New York times, then plays the 'minority inconvenience' card*

*Sighs and shrugs*

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