>Look, what I am trying to say here is that no other ship of the same level can have
the
>same huge impact on the battle.

yes, if you take out FW's and BB4+'s


>Are you on crack?
>Can the FM's remove the trolling on here, someone really can't be that dumb.

How am I trolling? And if I'm so dumb, how come you haven't addressed the issue's I
present? You're not mad at the game, you're mad at the fleets and the fact that
you're overpowered BB6's aren't God-like for once.

If you don't believe me about the Colorado thing, look up the Airborne Fleet. They
had some good players who held off BB5/6 regularly (Granted, they also had fairly
good FC).

Lj, I'm kind've disappointed that all you're counter's are completely personal. I
kind've though you were above that, but alas, I am wrong. It's too bad you can't
defend anything you say with logic, rather than a hotheaded opinion.

Look, what I am trying to say here is that no other ship of the same level can have the
same huge impact on the battle. Yes, the main problem is the balance issue, that higher
level ships (i.e. BB's) have nothing to counter them with (i.e. no way of putting on a
sonarman). It isn't a viable excuse to say "Put in a lower level ship" because that isn't
balanced, that ship itself is overpowered also (I.e. Low level of HH, and high power of PHH).
You can't balance overpowered content with overpowered content. Game-mode wise,
Submarines are overpowered for HA. As are PHH.

Again, this suggestion is a temporary measure. Not long term. And we are getting into the
whole game balance argument again, which isn't the point of this thread.

Update @ Rehor:

Even with what you edited in My locked thread and considered "Stupid", i still
consider bb6 unbalance the games more than you think, even if SDE said , this is a
120 game, PERIOD. A good BB6 driver wouldnt die that easily, bb6 vs bb5 and with
the current balance system, i dont think your reference and comment are not
enough to cover this.

And yes, you failed to respond with my comments, i m going to show what i wrotte

"then limit BB6s per room if you want to limit SS's."

[Rehor wrotte:]Hello, my name is Humberto20 and I excel at missing the point. [ends
here]

Lol look who missed the point, hello Im rehor im the real one who is
missing humberto20 point. Read better next time, because you obviously
failed my point.

this part has been explained. But Failing to explain with more details he prefered to
use the "Quick reference and just say"

[Rehor wrotte:]Whatever you say.[ends here]

Typical answer of a player who refuses to discuss the thread, but he prefered to
make references about the PM and re-edit it, in a thread which was locked, Mhm
pretty low. If you have to say something, just tell me your "Facts and strong
references, why BBs should be kept as the almighty monster, that should never be
destroyed and never be touched because BBs are the only ships, who will never
become obsolete" and not just running on the whole forums spreading the word:
OMG, humberto20 is filling my PM with retarded PM. Note to TNF, im sorry ,if my
comments are turning "heating up" but i have to make clear my points of view and
no leaving any doubts of my comments. As so far, you can check he has prefered to
make this public, I didnt, im just defending my arguments, my ideas and my Ingame
Interests as NF player. Sometimes Rehor you cant be right at everything, its time to
move on, and let everyone play in PEACE on their comments , suggestion, game
style,etc.

One more point Rehor; Next time you critice someone's thread as stupid or
retarded , just make sure you dont follow their step, because you just created a
topic in the wrong section."Allegating, the recommendations cannot be given in Off
topic or general discussion, thats just an EXCUSE, instead doing recommendations,
you can make the players to SIGN and do it MANUALLY.I dont think its to hard to do
it, at the rate how your thread its going, you only got 7 reccs. For the records, your
thread isnt related at all with Graphics, site or game improvement, fleets merges isnt
part of it, Sorry Rehor but i guess that can fit in Off topic or General Section.

@lj

the problem is not the SS, but the amount of BBs in the AH.
just look to see the battles that most of them are only using 3 classes of ships (BB,
CV, SS), and the ship to be used as a submarine hunter does not enter into battle
(CL and DD).
My proposal to set up HA and limiting the types of vessels in this way:
- 10 BB, 5 HP, 5 CA, 5 CL, 5 DD, 5 SS
- 12 BB, 5 HP, 5 CA, 8 CL / DD, 5 SS
FL style, ending once this disscussion, so proposing any fleet have the opportunity
to have a port, without depending on the amount of available BB6.

I believe this should be the way forward, and not simply be modifying only one class
of ship as the SS.

if you want SS sink, use the right ship (CL / DD) to hunt him.

"And the whole "its only a level 75" is totally irrelevant. A Colorado class BB is only 5
levels away, and can take a BB6 without much of an issue."

Are you on crack?

Can the FM's remove the trolling on here, someone really can't be that dumb.

@Humberto

I see your point, however, as i've said, this would only be temporary before a sub rebalance.
As a sub player myself, I would like to see submarines develop into ship lines comparable to
BB's and CV's, level wise and playability wise. And the same for ASW. Feel free to pop onto
the ONF site, would love to discuss sub balance with you on there :)

"A Colorado class BB is only 5 levels away, and can take a BB6 without much of an issue."

OH MY GOD I'M LAUGHING SO HARD

"Honestly, if youfeel you're too good to mount a few inches of bulge onto your premium
crewed BB6, you deserve to get sunk."

TWO HUNDRED FIFTY FIVE, THE MAX, DOES NOT PROTECT FROM SUBMARINES

I don't really care about this, but as I see that people with significantly impaired
cognitive functioning are against it, I recommend it just out of spite.

I have 2 points to clarify here:

@ljserven: I hope you are awared, limiting Submarines can Limit submarine players
from playing HA, remember not at fleet has the same tactics, if you are asking 3
submarines per side, then many submarines players can be affected by this,
specially if they dont have anything else to play with or they are not asked by their
leader not to play to as cv or bb.you know better than anyone else the HA system.



@Rehor: I hope that you are awared that i wasnt mentioning the regular room
limitations on BB6. I was referring limiting even more the BB6s limitations on HA
rooms.Oh well, since they are BB's almighty, noone will ever or want to do this.You
can tell me, then its not going to be fun, or whats the point of bb6 and their prices,
>or this or that<. ( all points about bb6 )


To be honest to you LJserven, this can actually benefits me, to attack the other fleet,
but i prefer having more enemy subs to engage, I love SS battles on HA and many of
them being limited, its not cool man,at all, now imagine that 6-8 bb6s are limited
from HA, isnt cool right? now think about your suggestion.

Firstly, I'm not an extensive SS player. In fact, I haven't played my SS2 in months. I
favor UK BB's and US CV4.

Secondly, what's the point of playing this game if you guys are going to complain about
everything? You're whining because some fleets use SS's to waste time, which is
perfectly legal. In english, your mad because they're not handing you a victory, so
you're going to go cry to TNF and the Dev's to make it "fair". Sub's in real life could sink
ships with just a few torpedos, and you DO have the option of mounting bulge on your
overpowered barge. It's no wonder legend's like Obst left this game for the tank one.

And the whole "its only a level 75" is totally irrelevant. A Colorado class BB is only 5
levels away, and can take a BB6 without much of an issue. Sub's get painfully low
amounts of exp, so you might as well be grinding to level 120 anyway. Honestly, if you
feel you're too good to mount a few inches of bulge onto your premium crewed BB6,
you deserve to get sunk.

SK_Bismarck, you have no idea what you are talking about with regards to game balance.
They are level 70 ships. If they were level 120 ships, then fine. But they aren't.