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New Gamemode: GreatBlitz
09. 04. 2011 04:18
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RedNemo
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Hi I come again with some insane idea.
Today my thoughts were for the 60-90 grind, when as a BB you are just food for the big BBs.
Where as a cv ou can just scout and hope not meet a T4 fp party hunting for easy kills.
What i propose is a battle like a GB just limited to lvl 90 like blitz is at 60.
This would allowed mid level ships to grow better, make more exp, and make GB funnier to play, cause you will less likely be oneshoted randomly.
Plus, to avoid to drain completely players from GB make a limitation like 12 BB and 12 CV (low level cv make less planes in the air, while less BBs makes Heavy CA, Subs and other ships more effectives)
What do you think of that?
Edit: so far the idea is still for a new gamemode, but since somebody suggested it, it also could be capped at lvl 85 instead of 90.
This with the intend of avoiding BB4 "godmode"
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Re : New GreatBlitz?
09. 08. 2011 21:41
joshmon999
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Originally Posted by aingeal
because obviously many DDs are lvl 60+.
Read the OP and then read mine again. If you aren't going to read the OP then don't bother responding to or quoting me. He suggested a lvl 90 cap GB. I think whatever lvl you want to have on your DD is your choice, but they will probably fit under a 90 cap for most ppl ^^ mmmkay??
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Re : New GreatBlitz?
09. 08. 2011 22:25
Eradicator1
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Originally Posted by joshmon999
LET ME PROPOSE A QUESTION: DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOUR CAP LOCK BUTTON IS?
That being said, BB/CA mode: Does it allow SS? Does it allow CV? Does it allow DD/CL?
NO.
So how the hell is it going to teach you GB tactics?
DURRRRRRRRRRRRRR
edited to add:
(lol, don't take me THAT serious, this IS a game, and this stuff is all fun til ppl get emotional, let's keep it light)
It's just to say that noone plays it because any gametype where you have less than bb4 (besides blitz of course) is an unbalanced badfest
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Re : New GreatBlitz?
09. 08. 2011 22:38
joshmon999
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So you're saying noone under lvl 90 would play a 90cap GB because it would be unbalanced? They wouldn't play because bb5 and 6 weren't there? lol, I've gotta say, either I am misunderstanding you, or something, because I guarantee you, bb/cv 5-6 not being there would be the attraction, not the deal breaker for a lot of ppl.
Like I said before, ppl are gonna say all sorts of silly stuff, but it's a food thing. This idea, while great, will never ever happen. It would cut off the easy food supply. Just another case of why this game never grew into something great. I've known a lot of ppl who left shortly after lvl 60 , and it's a shame. Everyone I ever got into the game quit around there. Not like they COULDN'T suffer it out and get a BB6, just more fun doing something with a smoother, more fun progression.
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Re : New GreatBlitz?
09. 08. 2011 23:06
clerick50
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It's because of suggestions like these that make all the players noob as shit. I've played NF for maybe three years perhaps four, and every single year, the players become worst, and worst, and worst. Like today, BBs don't even dare rush, only the ones i know from back then dare take the opportunity and do something about it. What im trying to say is if you don't get used to it now in a BB1 tactic, you're never gonna get used to it. Small fishes starts out from the sea (Blitz), and into the ocean (GBs) as they get bigger. and they'll have to learn how to survive on the go. Can't survive every round because YOU"RE DOING THE EXACT SAME THING?! well tell you what, DO SOMETHING ELSE UNTIL YOU START WINNING. =.=" Every single ship in this game has its pros and cons, it all depends on how you play it. Playing this game jus purely for grinding jus totally separates entertainment from gaming.
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Re : New GreatBlitz?
09. 09. 2011 06:07
RedNemo
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Originally Posted by clerick50
It's because of suggestions like these that make all the players noob as shit. I've played NF for maybe three years perhaps four, and every single year, the players become worst, and worst, and worst. Like today, BBs don't even dare rush, only the ones i know from back then dare take the opportunity and do something about it. What im trying to say is if you don't get used to it now in a BB1 tactic, you're never gonna get used to it. Small fishes starts out from the sea (Blitz), and into the ocean (GBs) as they get bigger. and they'll have to learn how to survive on the go. Can't survive every round because YOU"RE DOING THE EXACT SAME THING?! well tell you what, DO SOMETHING ELSE UNTIL YOU START WINNING. =.=" Every single ship in this game has its pros and cons, it all depends on how you play it. Playing this game jus purely for grinding jus totally separates entertainment from gaming.
In my opinion its the exact opposite Actually medium level players are not able to really learn notheing else than hide and shot from max range because or the risk of instant kill from a BB6. If a BB1-2 could be, not the biggest, but a fair big ship in a matche he can actualy learn more, and more and eventually, when he has a good crew finnaly go to the ocean. To retake your ichthyic immage: born in the high rivers of canada salmon grew to became avelin eating for a year or so to grow (blitz), then following the river they migrated to the estuary of the river, where they pass between 4 months nad a year to grew again (GreatBlitz?) before to be ready to finally swim in open sea (GB 1 and 2). The fish you descripted would be dead in 3 minutes in the ocean, and sadly is whas happen too often to players of this game when the cant play in the protected waters of blitz. Give as well to CA, SS, and CVs the possibility of learning more of just the basic skill necesarry to survive a blitz, get 1 hit and the sit back and leech.
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Re : New GreatBlitz?
09. 09. 2011 06:07
aingeal
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Originally Posted by joshmon999
So you're saying noone under lvl 90 would play a 90cap GB because it would be unbalanced? They wouldn't play because bb5 and 6 weren't there? lol, I've gotta say, either I am misunderstanding you, or something, because I guarantee you, bb/cv 5-6 not being there would be the attraction, not the deal breaker for a lot of ppl.
Like I said before, ppl are gonna say all sorts of silly stuff, but it's a food thing. This idea, while great, will never ever happen. It would cut off the easy food supply. Just another case of why this game never grew into something great. I've known a lot of ppl who left shortly after lvl 60 , and it's a shame. Everyone I ever got into the game quit around there. Not like they COULDN'T suffer it out and get a BB6, just more fun doing something with a smoother, more fun progression.
I'll simply say that : You won't have more fun necessarely. Simply, you'll avoid fail BB5 killing your fail BB3. But a good player will get a BB2 and rape your butt still, and you won't have a BB4-5 to hide behind waiting for it to kill him. And NO there isnt enough players currently on either server (well not on kaiser for sure, and Nebraska seems to have some issue too if I read some post correctly) to support 2 game modes and allow quick starts. You'll have 20 BBs alright in the GB1, then your 10 or 12 BBs in the GreatBlitz, sure. But CV? We have trouble starting GB with all CV 60+ there is. DD/CL? Blitz are nearly dead. Why would that mode suddenly make them come back to it? You'd also get lesser xp, nevertheless, since you don't have the chunk of shared XP CV5/BB5-6 yield when sunk. Thats especially important to CV, and lower level BB gets a nice part of it in the current mode. Whats more, new players will probably get to GB1 with BB4 having no idea how to linefight, and will be raped silly by older players that learned to use their ships old-fashionned style.
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Re : New GreatBlitz?
09. 09. 2011 06:39
RedNemo
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Originally Posted by aingeal
I'll simply say that : You won't have more fun necessarely.
Simply, you'll avoid fail BB5 killing your fail BB3. But a good player will get a BB2 and rape your butt still, and you won't have a BB4-5 to hide behind waiting for it to kill him.
Right but its easier to learn of to confront youresel against a BB2 than a BB5. I mean a BB5 will kill each time no matter what, unless he fails, too much range damage and DP diff. But against a same tier (or +1) ship you can try and retry untill you get good at it, the idea to have to still try and die aêach time for 30 lvls make 5 of my friends stop play this game and i know i am not even one of those who know the most player who stopped)
Originally Posted by aingeal
And NO there isnt enough players currently on either server (well not on kaiser for sure, and Nebraska seems to have some issue too if I read some post correctly) to support 2 game modes and allow quick starts.
Actually you are right, we need more players, but this situation has proven (from my point of view) that this game is a Blitz or suffer for low level players, if you give them a chance of actually doing something, well i could take a couple of months but even if only 1/3 of the players who left would like to try to play again they could do the leap from 60 to 80 and begin to be a bit more competitive in GB, even only as support.
Originally Posted by aingeal
You'll have 20 BBs alright in the GB1, then your 10 or 12 BBs in the GreatBlitz, sure. But CV? We have trouble starting GB with all CV 60+ there is. DD/CL? Blitz are nearly dead. Why would that mode suddenly make them come back to it?
Again a flow of new players could allow the current low level to get medium level and then slowly, but regularly become medium high level players and beginn to fill the GBs
Originally Posted by aingeal
You'd also get lesser xp, nevertheless, since you don't have the chunk of shared XP CV5/BB5-6 yield when sunk. Thats especially important to CV, and lower level BB gets a nice part of it in the current mode.
Well if you dont have a single Expert drived BB6 who does 50% of team damages, you allow people to actually make more damage and then need less of shared XP, eventually a GB with only high level Ships could even dont have it at all. Going in that mode is a challenge, you have to be good, or go back to learn how to play, instead of: enter, hit, sunk, leech. And obviously block the BB slot from someone who could actually help team to win.
Originally Posted by aingeal
Whats more, new players will probably get to GB1 with BB4 having no idea how to linefight, and will be raped silly by older players that learned to use their ships old-fashionned style.
Thats why we need a mode where they can do decent EXP, have a decent role (not just practice target for the BB5-6 of other team). Make them ralize that if you use you OH properly you can rush that bit that make you in range and then rush out before the ennemy even reaized you were there. Let medium LVL CVs driver learn how to micre their planes without the fear of a lvl 100 fp party who disintegrate them non giving a chance to counterattack. If you play like that the time to gain 30 lvls you would certainly learn more than just hide and try to suvive to longest possible to get a major share of EXP
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Re : New GreatBlitz?
09. 09. 2011 08:17
joshmon999
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What did I tell you guys? See above. Doesn't even make ANY sense at all. Who does a young boxer learn more with? A guy his size or maybe a bit bigger, with as much reach or maybe a tad more? Or a guy 3 weight classes higher and with 6" of extra reach?
Your arguments are silly and contradictory. First you say that skilled bb would still rape them anyway in 90 cap GB, but then you say that they would have no skill since they never got raped by skilled bb5-6 and would then get raped more, lol. Silly. People lean by doing, it's why EVERY. OTHER. GAME. is like that. There are a lot of reasons this game failed and this is one of them. It turns out in the end that SDE's biggest competition was guys just like this guy and the rest, preserving their food chain and easy mode.
It is the opposite aingeal. Keeping people shellshocked just makes them shittier players, end of story. Shared xp led to lower overall skill. AA'ing past the harder ships led to it. You all advocate AA'ing past those ships, but ten say you need time in them. Which is it? lol, you go round and round justifying your food chain, but that's all it is, keep the supply of bb1-3 coming so you can feed your way to HoF.
And to those players who say "you can succeed in bb1-3 if youre all LEET!!!" yeah, but most ppl aren't, and frankly, you need to play a waiting game and hope for an opening, at any time you can be one shotted. Yes, you can have wins, but they are few and far between, and the skills you learn aren't any different than you would learn battling more equal foes. You would just get to relax and learn more, and play more. Keep chasing the new players away with this nonsensical progression setup, flaming them to death when they come here to suggest stuff, or look for help, or just express frustration.
I say, why not try unlocking the level cap selector in gb1 and 2 and see what happens. SS5 is going to "kill the game, oh NOE!!" so who cares anyway right?
ALso, you said somewhere else your account is in sleep mode. So how do you know what is going on? LOL, we don't wait for CV anymore, they wait for BB.
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Re : New GreatBlitz?
09. 09. 2011 08:35
B_Duck
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how about a room lvl 90 and up? i think that makes more sence
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Re : New GreatBlitz?
09. 09. 2011 08:37
joshmon999
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Originally Posted by B_Duck
how about a room lvl 90 and up? i think that makes more sence
Thats sort of what the normal gb would become, since most BB/CV under 90 would stay there til they crossed to regualr no-cap gb, same effect. Oh, and someone mentioned noone dares to rush anymore, lol. That's noobstyle all the way, and a good way to get one shotted and a smoke break while waitng for battle to end. You might be able to learn to rush if the finger of god wasn't wating to squash you the sec you come into range.
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