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  • New Gamemode: GreatBlitz

    09. 04. 2011 04:18

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RedNemo
Hi I come again with some insane idea.
Today my thoughts were for the 60-90 grind, when as a BB you are just food for the big BBs.
Where as a cv ou can just scout and hope not meet a T4 fp party hunting for easy kills.
What i propose is a battle like a GB just limited to lvl 90 like blitz is at 60.
This would allowed mid level ships to grow better, make more exp, and make GB funnier to play, cause you will less likely be oneshoted randomly.
Plus, to avoid to drain completely players from GB make a limitation like 12 BB and 12 CV (low level cv make less planes in the air, while less BBs makes Heavy CA, Subs and other ships more effectives)

What do you think of that?

Edit: so far the idea is still for a new gamemode, but since somebody suggested it, it also could be capped at lvl 85 instead of 90.
         This with the intend of avoiding BB4 "godmode"

 

  • Re : New GreatBlitz?

    10. 04. 2011 17:34


RedNemo
Originally Posted by christomorg

I think that this is a great idea. I would draw the limit at lvl 88 though, to keep out bb4's. A well played bb4 could clean house in a game filled with bb1-3's. I know that in an h39 it would be way to easy to farm. Or maby just make a lvl cap at 90 for all sailors, not just BO. Overall though, I would like to see this, ive been lvling up a cv crew, and the cv1-3 stage is long and painful. Gotta love us t4's on your t2 fighters.


the fact is that the game mode should be like a GB or a blitz, all sailors limited to 90.

For the BB4 you are right, but in fact you would be able to use it only for 1 lvl, so the best you use it, the shortest time you would be able to pown ^^

  • Re : New GreatBlitz?

    10. 04. 2011 18:43


Eradicator1
Originally Posted by RedNemo

Originally Posted by Eradicator1

BB1 would be food to BB2
BB2 would be food to BB3

etc.


Maybe but:
- a well used BB1 can easily pown a bad used BB2 and have a nice chanche against a noob BB3.
- a well used BB2 can easily pown a bad used BB3 and have a nice chanche against a noob BB4.
- etc.

But even:
- a godlike used BB1 stand small chances against a even bad used BB4-5 or 6

BB1 is not meant to be a line fighter it is meant to draw fire aa, support roles etc.
Originally Posted by RedNemo

But we forget somebody:
CV1-3 crews dont have a chance against a CV7 crew (110-120) and appart dragging your planes and hoping to find even noober than you you cant do much if not scouting.

Locals bombing etc.

Originally Posted by RedNemo

Learning how to fight against an adversary which actually give you a chanche to hit back is more usefull than practising whit the world champion, when your training session counts for his personal records.

Learning how to practice with idiots means that you're adjusting your playstyle to fight idiots.

Originally Posted by RedNemo

People argue that would slow the rate of starting GB, yes it will undubtly do that, but only for the couple of months necessary to actually premium users to get out of this theorical Greatblitz lvl range. And make GB more interesting for having less low level BB and CVs which results useless in battle if not taking slots for more usefull players.

That plus a return of even only 20% of people which grew sick of getting serially powned in GB would gave a second breathe to the game, and having patience, in some months could even allow the game to actually gain users.

Also against the slow games start rata: why always wait between 3 and 5 mins for the lasts 2 BBs or CVs? when you reach 120% and even ships you could go.
The deficit in exp you have for not having waited for full is compensated from the fact that you have more personal exp and in 1 hour you can easily save enough waiting time to play 1 or 2 more games.


Nice trolling.

It would slow the rate of all games. The last thing NF needs is to split up the playerbase even more.

Originally Posted by RedNemo

Originally Posted by christomorg

I think that this is a great idea. I would draw the limit at lvl 88 though, to keep out bb4's. A well played bb4 could clean house in a game filled with bb1-3's. I know that in an h39 it would be way to easy to farm. Or maby just make a lvl cap at 90 for all sailors, not just BO. Overall though, I would like to see this, ive been lvling up a cv crew, and the cv1-3 stage is long and painful. Gotta love us t4's on your t2 fighters.


the fact is that the game mode should be like a GB or a blitz, all sailors limited to 90.

For the BB4 you are right, but in fact you would be able to use it only for 1 lvl, so the best you use it, the shortest time you would be able to pown ^^

Nice contradicting yourself. BB4s would = BB6s

  • Re : New GreatBlitz?

    10. 05. 2011 16:00


RedNemo
Originally Posted by Eradicator1


BB1 is not meant to be a line fighter it is meant to draw fire aa, support roles etc.


Ok how can you be a serious support like AA with 4 T slots and lvl 50-65 AA gunners? you dont really are more than a joke and a target for almost free EXP. ASW how can you be if you cant detect the subs?
A BB is a capital ship and for definition a line ship, if they werent they wouldnt be called BB or BC.
Originally Posted by Eradicator1

Locals bombing etc.


What is that etc? nothing more really, except maybe scouting and mining. And many would use the border humping solution to make bomber go throught.

Originally Posted by Eradicator1

Learning how to practice with idiots means that you're adjusting your playstyle to fight idiots.


Are you impliing that new players are all stupid? I hope not. Btw we need new players not martyrs

Originally Posted by Eradicator1

Nice trolling.

It would slow the rate of all games. The last thing NF needs is to split up the playerbase even more.



Please show me where i was trolling because i dont see it.

Plus you are right, NF need to reduce the split of the players, bringing them along for their level.
All professional athletes will confirm you that always play again a too weaker opponent is not good for keeping your skills sharps

Originally Posted by Eradicator1


Nice contradicting yourself. BB4s would = BB6s


I dont think so, the so called godlike mode of a BB4 would be really short (1 lvl) and be available only if the player had managed to keep the whole crew at level, without having overlevelled gunners or support.

So if a player has the compences, the knowledge of the games mechanics necessary for that. Well i really think he would deserve the godlike mode for this only 1 level.

And dont we forget that the GAP beetween an non BB ship and a BB4 is smaller than the same ship and a BB6, so all ships would still have a greater chance to make serious damages to this ship, and in fact learn how to really play NF.

  • Re : New GreatBlitz?

    10. 05. 2011 16:55


Eradicator1
Originally Posted by RedNemo

Originally Posted by Eradicator1


BB1 is not meant to be a line fighter it is meant to draw fire aa, support roles etc.


Ok how can you be a serious support like AA with 4 T slots and lvl 50-65 AA gunners? you dont really are more than a joke and a target for almost free EXP. ASW how can you be if you cant detect the subs?
A BB is a capital ship and for definition a line ship, if they werent they wouldnt be called BB or BC.

You can have support vehicles that are similar classes. And really most BBs have more than 4 T slots. It's something to do on the side, damage should be secondary.

Originally Posted by RedNemo

Originally Posted by Eradicator1

Locals bombing etc.


What is that etc? nothing more really, except maybe scouting and mining. And many would use the border humping solution to make bomber go throught.

Bombers are a way to do damage to the enemy team without needing to deal directly with enemy fighters

Originally Posted by RedNemo

Originally Posted by Eradicator1

Learning how to practice with idiots means that you're adjusting your playstyle to fight idiots.


Are you impliing that new players are all stupid? I hope not. Btw we need new players not martyrs

Yea they are stupid. People play what works best. In your proposed games BB1/2 would rush and BB3 would lol

Originally Posted by RedNemo

Originally Posted by Eradicator1

Nice trolling.

It would slow the rate of all games. The last thing NF needs is to split up the playerbase even more.



Please show me where i was trolling because i dont see it.

Plus you are right, NF need to reduce the split of the players, bringing them along for their level.
All professional athletes will confirm you that always play again a too weaker opponent is not good for keeping your skills sharps

Stop trolling. Splitting players is the last thing NF needs.

Example:

I am company A and I am barely being able to make a profit.
company B is there for lower level services similar to mine.
company C comes along with mid line services.

All companies go out of business because there is not enough demand for their product (aka NF players)

Originally Posted by RedNemo

Originally Posted by Eradicator1


Nice contradicting yourself. BB4s would = BB6s


I dont think so, the so called godlike mode of a BB4 would be really short (1 lvl) and be available only if the player had managed to keep the whole crew at level, without having overlevelled gunners or support.

So if a player has the compences, the knowledge of the games mechanics necessary for that. Well i really think he would deserve the godlike mode for this only 1 level.

And dont we forget that the GAP beetween an non BB ship and a BB4 is smaller than the same ship and a BB6, so all ships would still have a greater chance to make serious damages to this ship, and in fact learn how to really play NF.

People barely play BB6, but when they do it's OP.

LOL SO YOU'RE SAYING A CA COULD TAKE OUT A BB4? ARGUMENT INVALID

  • Re : New GreatBlitz?

    10. 05. 2011 20:21


KingCong
Originally Posted by Eradicator1

Stop trolling. Splitting players is the last thing NF needs.

Example:

I am company A and I am barely being able to make a profit.
company B is there for lower level services similar to mine.
company C comes along with mid line services.

All companies go out of business because there is not enough demand for their product (aka NF players)


agreed, remove GB, blitz and every other game mode and leave only normal.

  • Re : New GreatBlitz?

    10. 06. 2011 01:46


SylverXI
Originally Posted by Eradicator1

BB1 is not meant to be a line fighter it is meant to draw fire aa, support roles etc.

BB1 is a capital ship, you want to play support, use a CL/CA. I hate those BB4 and BB5 that only AA in matches and let me in a BB3 trying to keep enemy back. Players need to learn to line-fight and BB1(like UK) will finally be able to use it's armor which is useless in GB for BB1 and BB2.

All GB does is teach people to camp and creates boring matches where everybody is afraid of playing aggressively. They can only rely on killing rushing noobs. This works out good until you play BB456 rooms where some leech and only the most experience players engage and tries to actually push the enemy.

For KM nation, which is a nation designed to fight against it's own tiers, this will be great. KM range with really low firepower is only food against BB's 3 tiers above it. KM is horrible in GB rooms.

Originally Posted by Eradicator1

Locals bombing etc.

For CV's it's also horrible. With low level CV you get used to using bombers and locals that teach you nothing on how to play as a CV4 to CV6.

Originally Posted by Eradicator1

Learning how to practice with idiots means that you're adjusting your playstyle to fight idiots.

Back in the old days when Blitz was more popular and exp. rate was lower, you learn allot more than now in GB. GB is a horrible place to learn to play. We need a place for new players to gradually get used to the controls first, then develop strategy in GB. This way people get used to using every BB, and not just the BB5.

Also, this game was introduced with only the BB123 and CV123. T4, T5 and T6 ships where later added. Having BB123 playing together is better for learning. Learning how to play a BB3 in GB, does not teach you how to play your BB4 later on in GB. The support play-style is completely different from that of a capital ship.

Also, finally a fun gamemode, with less exp. rate then GB. If you wanna powerlevel a BO, you will be forced to do it the hard way in a GB with BB456 and high level PBB's. People with low level crews can enjoy playing Great Blitz.

Originally Posted by Eradicator1

Nice trolling.

It would slow the rate of all games. The last thing NF needs is to split up the playerbase even more.


Activity on Kaiser probably won't be able to support this new game. Nebraska server can. If activity becomes to low, people adapt and will all go play GB instead of a mid level and low level room.

I used to play in Yamato before the server merges and I have played at every time. I noticed that when activity comes to an all time low, everybody just plays GB. Blitz room that open don't fill up with more then 3 people. Also, the grind from level 1 to 90 takes less then the grind time from 105 to 120. So fearing THIS will cause NO room to fill is nonsense. People adapt.

GB will be played by players that:
- Have a T6 ship already.
- Players that want to level new crew in their old PBB with 2-3 lvl 120 support.
- Players that want to level fast.

Great blitz:
- New players(first crew).
- Players that want to level slowly having fun.

Originally Posted by Eradicator1


Nice contradicting yourself. BB4s would = BB6s

Same way BB1 is more fair then a BB3 in a blitz, a BB4 as a BB6 in that room will be more fair then an actual BB6 vs BB123 in GB. Seriously, this isn't even an argument.

Also, the only reason BB6 cause havoc in GB rooms is because there are to many low level BB123 in GB rooms and the 2-3 BB5's are forced to face this BB6 alone with the support of 1-2 BB5. With less inexperienced BB123 in GB, it makes BB6's easier to kill and less overpowered, since it will have to face against more BB5's in order to win.

  • Re : New GreatBlitz?

    10. 06. 2011 04:25


Novinha
As someone said previously, only greedy BB/CV4+ players that prefer to keep hogging the food chain and squashing inferior ships would oppose this suggestion (regardless of their laughable arguments all over this thread)... SDE should consider implementing this suggestion before it loses even more player base who are sick and tired of getting farmed every time by vastly higher level ships without any chance of a fair fight.

In the long term I believe additional revenue from the influx of new players / retention of post-Blitz players due to fairer playing field should more than offset what SDE got from the small yet noisy minority that wants to keep their domination at all cost.

  • Re : New GreatBlitz?

    10. 06. 2011 11:11


RedNemo
Originally Posted by Novinha

As someone said previously, only greedy BB/CV4+ players that prefer to keep hogging the food chain and squashing inferior ships would oppose this suggestion (regardless of their laughable arguments all over this thread)... SDE should consider implementing this suggestion before it loses even more player base who are sick and tired of getting farmed every time by vastly higher level ships without any chance of a fair fight.

In the long term I believe additional revenue from the influx of new players / retention of post-Blitz players due to fairer playing field should more than offset what SDE got from the small yet noisy minority that wants to keep their domination at all cost.


Nicely said, and usually you see very few people actually going on the forum and i bet most of people just dont want to post for the number of people that will call them noob, or just say to search on forum, to just shut up, to stop crying and get some balls (whenever balls gave you skills i never knew) or such things.

This aggressive environnement doesnt really helps to improve the game feedback more than for a small group of people who want to scare people to even try to get involved with game mechanics, if not accept their word as a godsend message.

  • Re : New GreatBlitz?

    10. 06. 2011 12:08


RobtheMad
I recc, good idea.

  • Re : New GreatBlitz?

    10. 06. 2011 15:10


Eradicator1
It's not because of domination it's because if you keep adding new gametypes they will 1. not be used, 2. kill the game.

I am currently grinding a BB2 and a couple CV1 crews so shove it.

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