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  • SS5 Released in KR server

    08. 31. 2011 22:21


hamster312
SS5s just released in KR server! You guys may have already seen the image, but not the details of the subs.

***These details may be different when SDE releases them in NFNA***
***I will just skip the non-important factors such as Structural strength, AAW, FCS***
***For Engine, since SDE added new engines for SS5s, I will not put them down here***

USN :Gato
Price: 2524000
Level: 88
Durability: 23100
Normal Displacement: 1562t
Standard Displacement: 1850t
Maximum Displacement: 2410t
Turning Force: 19
Support Sailor Slot: 5
Overheat Ratio: 52%
Aircraft Loading Capacity: 0 
Torpedo Loading Capacity: 48
T mount: 16/16/16/16/16/16/16/16/16/16 (TEN TORPS!, 6 Front, 4 Back)
R Mount: 17

Comment: Well, thats some number of torps Gato has! 

RN: M Type
Price: 2824000
Required Level: 87
Durability: 22300
Normal Displacement: 595t
Standard Displacement: 1226t 
Maximum Displacement: 1977t
Turning Force: 20
Overheat Ratio: 51%
Support Sailor Slot: 6
Aircraft Loading Capacity: 120
Number of Aircraft Take off: 1 
Torpedo Loading Capacity: 48 
T Mount: 16/16/16/16 (All front)
R Mount:  69 ( They use 12" I think..)

Comment:  :OOOO 12"s in a sub! Hope the torps are powerful..Because they dont have any back torps..:S

IJN: Kai-Kou Type
Price: 3184000
Required Level: 89
Durability: 21800
Normal Displacement: 3629t
Standard Displacement: 4043t
Maximum Displacement: 4762t
Turning Force: 17
Overheat Ratio: 50%
Support Sailor Slot: 7 
Aircraft Loading Capacity: 800 (:OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO)
Number of Aircraft Take off: 3
Torpedo Loading Capacity: 52
T Mount: 18/18/18/18/18/18  (6 Front)
R Mount: 23

Comment: Oh noes....SDE finally did it... gonna see a lot of these soon I guess..

KM: Type - IX D2
Price: 2856000
Required Level: 86
Durability: 22600
Normal Displacement: 976t
Standard Displacement: 1195t
Maximum Displacement: 1799t
Turning Force: 21
Overheat Ratio: 51%
Support Sailor Slot: 5
Aircraft Loading Capacity: 0
Number of Aircraft Take off: 0
Torpedo Loading Capacity: 45
T Mount: 17/17/17/17/17/17 (4 Front, 2 Back)
R Mount: 20

Comment: Not much to comment about.. xD

MN: Surcouf
Price: 2647500
Required Level: 88
Durability: 22400
Normal Displacement: 2894t
Standard Displacement: 3691t
Maximum Displacement: 4304t
Turning Force: 18
Overheat Ratio: 51%
Support Sailor Slot: 5
Aircraft Loading Capacity: 120
Number of Aircraft Take off: 1
Torpedo Loading Capacity: 47
T Mount: 19/19/19/19/19/19/19/19 (8 Torps. 6 Front, 2 Back)
R Mount: 78 

Comment: 8" Duals for MN Deck gun :OOOOOO

SN: D
Price: 2745000
Required Level: 89
Durability: 22000
Normal Displacement: 554t
Standard Displacement: 885t 
Maximum Displacement: 1461t
Turning Force: 21
Overheat Ratio: 52%
Support Sailor Slot: 5 
Aircraft Loading Capacity: 0
Number of Aircraft Take off: 0 
Torpedo Loading Capacity: 49
T Mount: 17/17/17/17/17/17/17/17 ( 8 Torps, 6 Front, 2 Back)
R Mount:  21

Comment: Not much to talk about.

-hamster312 :)  
 



 

 

  • Re : SS5 Released in KR server

    09. 02. 2011 09:43


ljsevern
Originally Posted by Cracko

Originally Posted by ljsevern

Originally Posted by Cracko

Crying everywhere about SSs is a sport for some people.
All those stats mean nothing for me, i will give my opinion about they are ok or they are OVERPOWAH when i test them and when i fight against them ... the only thing i can say is i was expecting more lvl required.


Crying about losing their overpowered content is like a sport for some people.


You still didnt test them but well, they are SS, so ... OVERPOWAH, JAJAJAJA !!
Keep repeating it, if you repeat a lie 1000 times it becomes truth.


Tested it countless times. The mere fact that SS4's are heavily used in a T6 game mode proves my point further.

  • Re : SS5 Released in KR server

    09. 02. 2011 09:44


ljsevern
Originally Posted by Gtdawg

How disingenuous do you have to be to say that it isn't possible to determine if SS5 will be OP until they are introduced?

Is that an argument that someone can make with a straight face?

I've got an IJN SS4 that is speed capped with 900SD and can oneshot a BB6. There's going to be a new ship introduced with 2 extra support slots, some planes, more torps, and a rear torp slot. The only thing worse is less front torp slots.

Golly, I just don't know how it will play.


Plus scouts, more DP, and a bigger gun on (The UK one has a 12" gun...).

Plus, Subs can crit dive quicker compared to HH and DC's.

  • Re : SS5 Released in KR server

    09. 02. 2011 10:05


SK_Bismarck
Originally Posted by ljsevern

Originally Posted by Gtdawg

How disingenuous do you have to be to say that it isn't possible to determine if SS5 will be OP until they are introduced?

Is that an argument that someone can make with a straight face?

I've got an IJN SS4 that is speed capped with 900SD and can oneshot a BB6. There's going to be a new ship introduced with 2 extra support slots, some planes, more torps, and a rear torp slot. The only thing worse is less front torp slots.

Golly, I just don't know how it will play.


Plus scouts, more DP, and a bigger gun on (The UK one has a 12" gun...).

Plus, Subs can crit dive quicker compared to HH and DC's.
Sure...scouts and deck gun are subs most usefull weapons...maybe if they have BB6 range it should by OK...

can you prove HH vs subs in battle with simulate REAL situation not check time separately in laboratory conditions? Btw how long your SS4 can stay in critical dive? With 4 slots ASW ship can fire 1 shot in less than 4 seconds (gradual mode) intervals...can you go to normal, repaire and redive to critical in less time?

  • Re : SS5 Released in KR server

    09. 02. 2011 10:09


NIborGER
well the reason why t4 subs are heavyly used in a t6 game is because there are no t6 subs.

If there wouldnt be cv6+pcv+cv5 everyone would use a cv4.
if there wouldnt be bb6+bb5 everyone would use a bb4
there is no ss6+ss5 yet so everyone uses ss4.

easy isnt it?

this asw talk is useless since everyone agrees ASW is brocken and in some parts (PHH) pretty OP. btw hhs explode faster then u critdive. i would change exploding tiome of dcs and hhs.

this scouts more dp bigger gun talk is stupid.
There is just 1 that can use scout or bombers
There are 2 ships with big guns but RN has just 4 tubes and all front.
More DP but still will get 1-2shotted by brooklyn.

btw we should make ASW better useable on bb by allowing sonarman working on all ships so a bb can decide either AA or ASW.

  • Re : SS5 Released in KR server

    09. 02. 2011 10:10


Gtdawg
Originally Posted by SK_Bismarck

Originally Posted by Gtdawg

I've got an IJN SS4 that is speed capped with 900SD and can oneshot a BB6.

Yes, it could be done but only with one type of sub and agains BB6 with especialy "good" setup...Try to do it with other than IJN SS4 and agains BB6 with 0,2 belt and some bulge...

Ofcourse...agains not prepared players are overpowered SS1 too...


None of what you said changes my point about whether SS5 will be OP or not and whether people can tell they will be OP before they are released.

  • Re : SS5 Released in KR server

    09. 02. 2011 10:21


Gtdawg
Originally Posted by NIborGER

well the reason why t4 subs are heavyly used in a t6 game is because there are no t6 subs.

If there wouldnt be cv6+pcv+cv5 everyone would use a cv4.
if there wouldnt be bb6+bb5 everyone would use a bb4
there is no ss6+ss5 yet so everyone uses ss4.

easy isn't it?


This is a ridiculous argument.

T4 subs are used against T6 ships because they can easily compete and sink them. If SS56 were released tomorrow, people could and would still use SS4 because they can still compete against the ships with relative ease.

Yes, people would use SS56 more because they can compete easier and perform better, but that doesn't change how SS4 perform.

People only use BBCV34(5) in HA when they have no other option. That's because the ships can't compete against tier 6 ships.

Just because I have a BB6 is not the reason I don't use BB4 in HA. I don't use a BB4 because it can't reasonably compete against that tier of ship.

  • Re : SS5 Released in KR server

    09. 02. 2011 10:30


SK_Bismarck
Originally Posted by Gtdawg

Originally Posted by SK_Bismarck

Originally Posted by Gtdawg

I've got an IJN SS4 that is speed capped with 900SD and can oneshot a BB6.

Yes, it could be done but only with one type of sub and agains BB6 with especialy "good" setup...Try to do it with other than IJN SS4 and agains BB6 with 0,2 belt and some bulge...

Ofcourse...agains not prepared players are overpowered SS1 too...


None of what you said changes my point about whether SS5 will be OP or not and whether people can tell they will be OP before they are released.
Sure because you dont want REAL data from REAL battle situation...just biased / laboratory...

It would be nice that people who wants "balance" subs must play only on subs with their propopsed characteristics for submarines for one year to see how "good" their "balance" is...
Unfortunately this "balancer" who are thinking that SS4 = BB6 were/are/WILL playing on subs maybe less than 1% of their total battles...

gt...just show me one SS4 who is able to oneshot well setuped BB6 (with at least 0,2 belt)...not just in laboratory with HEI vs unrealistic QV without belt/bulge (sure some players could have this setup but for them you have nice topic in Navyfield truth section on your fleet forum)...

  • Re : SS5 Released in KR server

    09. 02. 2011 10:40


NIborGER
Originally Posted by Gtdawg

Originally Posted by NIborGER

well the reason why t4 subs are heavyly used in a t6 game is because there are no t6 subs.

If there wouldnt be cv6+pcv+cv5 everyone would use a cv4.
if there wouldnt be bb6+bb5 everyone would use a bb4
there is no ss6+ss5 yet so everyone uses ss4.

easy isn't it?


This is a ridiculous argument.

T4 subs are used against T6 ships because they can easily compete and sink them. If SS56 were released tomorrow, people could and would still use SS4 because they can still compete against the ships with relative ease.

Yes, people would use SS56 more because they can compete easier and perform better, but that doesn't change how SS4 perform.

People only use BBCV34(5) in HA when they have no other option. That's because the ships can't compete against tier 6 ships.

Just because I have a BB6 is not the reason I don't use BB4 in HA. I don't use a BB4 because it can't reasonably compete against that tier of ship.


a bb4 against a cv6 can be pretty awesome if there is no bigger bb.
some goes for a cv4 against a bb6 if there is no bigger cv.

  • Re : SS5 Released in KR server

    09. 02. 2011 10:41


SK_Bismarck
Originally Posted by Gtdawg


This is a ridiculous argument.

T4 subs are used against T6 ships because they can easily compete and sink them.

Subs are used in HA because they are good in push back enemy line with posibility sunk some enemy T6 ships...but if defender use just few SSs like countermeasure for highlight enemy subs then for attacking subs is near impossible kill some T6 ships because this attacking subs are easily killed by HH from BBs when they are highlighted by defender subs...
SS in HA are succesfull only agains not prepared enemy who dont know how to countermeasure them...

  • Re : SS5 Released in KR server

    09. 02. 2011 10:42


Gtdawg
Originally Posted by SK_Bismarck

Sure because you dont want REAL data from REAL battle situation...just biased / laboratory...

It would be nice that people who wants "balance" subs must play only on subs with their propopsed characteristics for submarines for one year to see how "good" their "balance" is...
Unfortunately this "balancer" who are thinking that SS4 = BB6 were/are/WILL playing on subs maybe less than 1% of their total battles...

gt...just show me one SS4 who is able to oneshot well setuped BB6 (with at least 0,2 belt)...not just in laboratory with HEI vs unrealistic QV without belt/bulge (sure some players could have this setup but for them you have nice topic in Navyfield truth section on your fleet forum)...


What on earth are you talking about?

You probably don't even know what my ideas about sub balance are and, if you did, you'd probably freaking agree with 90% of it.

Your idea of biased lab setting balance is ridiculous. It doesn't take a genius to see that SS4s are powerful.

And, with that in mind, you'd have to be incredibly dense to say that SS5s won't similarly be too powerful.

I, honestly, have no idea what the hell else you are babbling about.

My point still stands. A person would have to be disingenuous to say they don't know if SS5s will be unbalanced and op.

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