Your two sentences:

"The supposed "Elite" sub players rarely play BB/CV etc. When they do, they aren't particularly good.
The supposed "Elite" BB/CV/AA players that rarely play SS. When they do, they still wipe the floor with everyone."

What a bunch of horse manure. You make stuff up. This is total Baloney. How could you or anyone possibly come up with any statistical validation for such nonsense?

Yes, game winning ships if the other team has not SSs or ASW defense, but old players preffer just pure BB lines without worries about SS/antiSS things. CV4s are at lvl77 too, imagine a team with some CV4s and the other team has no CVs ... omg, CV4s unbalance game, they are OVERPOWAH, they have a high impact on game, they are winning ships !! JUST BECAUSSE THE OTHER TEAM HAS NO IDEA !

But instead trying to develop SS/antiSS strategies and learn a new playstyle its better to try to nerf them and post the word OVERPOWAH in these forums 2 or 3 times a day.

SSs already got enough nerfs. SSs are there since a lot of time, if you still didnt adapt to them the problem is not on the subs, its on you. I felt SSs were overpowered when i gave a full shot on them and they didnt die, but after several nerfs they are ok and they have been a great adition to the game.

But just ignore the reality and keep with your campaign, just repeat how unfair SSs are 999 more times and im sure SDE will allow you to nerf them.

I notice you are leaving out a fabled outcry of a certain item being too powerful - THEY LET IT HAPPEN!

There IS a large difference in a skilled vs unskilled sub player no matter how one may choose to dumb it down for p.opinion.

ONE! SINGLE! asw ship who knows how to fire HH or maneuver a fast ship with dc's can take out multiple subs with ease.

I reserve judgment til I see how fast and for how long they can travel, that is my single concern out of all of this data. A team needs ASW as it needs AA, simple as that. If they can't do it then that is a weakness to exploit. Inside of an organized battle such as HA or FL, poor planning seldom leads to victory.


Where is the asw? That is the problem. It's the people, not the design this time.

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/4924/dive1b.jpg

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/9229/dive2.jpg

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/8744/dive3.jpg

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/691/hh1.jpg

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/4195/hh2o.jpg

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/8514/hh3b.jpg



There's the hangtime of the PHH before hitting the water, giving you enough time already bonus.
Plus, if you are the type of slow reaction player, you still have enough time, even if the PHH just hit right at the water.

Now if you didn't pay attention that's another thing.

I hate to say this. But watch the picture again.

Hedgehog detonates duration is 3;01 meaning 3 seconds and 1 frames out of 30.
Aka 3 seconds and 30 milliseconds.


Sub can critical diive at 2;17 meaning 2 seconds and 17 frames rate out of 30.
Aka 2 seconds and 560 milli seconds ( screw the rounding).

A human reaction by clicking have in average 0,215 seconds. You nearly have twice time necessarily to reac and click before it blows and sink you. Yet, we're talking about a blockshot which are way more effective, than those crap HH with shotgun spread, giving an unefficient weapon against SS.
Source http://www.humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime/index.php


I am sure an experience driver can tell whther it is an hedgehog or regular shell.
When you can see the obvious shell contrast image. I've seen lot of sub driver just simply critical dive at low angle HH shot.

Unless you're colour blind, we're heading into another way.

^ ^


** Warning a massive SMUG storm**


add the new subs and lets go navy field , lets go navy field , lets go navy field

yay!

Feel free to prove me wrong. Name me a dedicated submarine driver that is more than capable of playing BB.

Prove you wrong? Are you mental? YOU are the definion of wrong. In fact, in Wikipedia, the term "Wrong" has your avatar! You spout some lie (YES A LIE), and then declare it true until proven false (of course all accourding to your subjective and secret evaluation criteria), and then we can only imagine the goal posts moving again.

Do you just get off picking verbal/forum fights with people? No way in the world would anyone have to, want to, or need to prove anything to you. You are a minor player with a too much idle time available. Your opinion has been heard, multiple times. Is there anything else you want to add to the discussion or do you just want to cry and bray like a pig stuck in a fence?

Get a clue. You're irrelevent to the discussion if all you bring is negative comments and a snarly attitude.

are we there yet with this SS crap talk and useless trolling ?

Says you. Keep breaking forum rules, and feel free to bring some facts and evidence to the discussion, rather than insults.

Proof please. Name me a dedicated submarine driver that is more than capable of playing BB.

Furthermore, please tell me that your thoughts that a level 77 ship can dominate rooms full of level 120 ships. Is this correct and balanced?