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Ok, time to end the PHH spam in blitz!
09. 28. 2011 22:25
Aramaki
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I beared with this until today, when someone outranged my 8'' mogami guns with PHH and killed me. So not only a PHH does 800 damage, which is way more than my 8'' shells, but also outranges me???
So wait, let me say it again, with explanation. A SMALL MORTAR BOMB fired at a range of 250 yards (230 m) and designed to explode at contact with a SUBMERGED ship (because the damage against subs is in fact done by heavy water pressure, and not by armor penetration and/or heavy explosive), in this game does more damage and from a better range than a 8'' gun (205mm) that in reality was firing at a range of 29000 yd (27km) some 256 pound (116kg) shells!
Why is this happening? Why haven't the devs removed the damage vs surfaced ships? Why is the range so big? Why are HH even allowed in battle where subs are not allowed?!?
This feature is not historically accurate, is not ballanced and is not fun to play against. I would have understand to a certain degree if people would have to buy the darn weapon. But a free event item that EVERYONE GOT to be this powerfull is absolutely NOT FUN.
Please do smth about this. At least, until you can balance the weapon, please remove it from games where SS are banned.
Thank you.
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Re : Ok, time to end the PHH spam in blitz!
10. 02. 2011 01:54
Maistral
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Originally Posted by Elliot2lazy
maybe rocketeer's suggestion about selling NF tissues needs to be activated.
but arent HH for subs? :\
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Re : Ok, time to end the PHH spam in blitz!
10. 02. 2011 10:14
TSLordPred
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Originally Posted by aingeal
Originally Posted by TSLordPred
really guys is it hard to see its a game? you have HH vs PHH. HH does hardly any damage against surface ships. However PREMIUM HH does. Everything Premium on this game does better then anything of equal value. Example is the PBB for US. It outranges the current BB1 and 2 and sometimes a 3. Is that fair? no but hey they are premium.. if you want to balance the blitzes with PHH then allow ss1-2s
That argument is invalid. You aren't fixing an issue, you are attempting to balance the imbalance by another. Sadly, this one contrary to NF, goes with the other imbalance. How do you think SS1-2 will counter PHH in blitz? PBB are ships that offer advantages compared to regular BBs of the same level, but a BB2-3 with a decent driver at the helm can more than hold its own vs it. B65 and Dunk are actually the best exemple of that, only sevas and AD are really questionnable. Stating the reason for which content is OP (talking about PHH) also sadly to not constitute an arguement in favor, unless you explain why you support access to imbalanced content for money.
Its very valid, with my PBB seva or AD i could easily sink a bb5 because they have outrageous range for a ship of that lvl. Same as the PHH.. outrageous damage and range compared to regular HH. an SS1 in a blitz really isnt a bad idea. Adds a differetnt element. SS1s in GB's rarely can do anything since they have short air time and are very slow. To say its adding nother imbalance is lame since Kitas are allowed. Thats worse in a blitz then phh or ss1. With my kita all i have to do is turn and shoot and 90% of the enemy is sunk or damaged. There were a few times i actually killed all but one ship off the first salvo.. an ss1 would be like a cv1 currently is. Its a game changer in blitz but useless in GB's. This is a game with different strenghts and weaknesses, everyone needs to stop complaining and just figure out how to counter it. Examples: PHH in blitz countered by simakaze or kita Kita or Simakaze countered by BB's, CVs or other faster TW type ships if you put an SS1 you counter by PHH ships In a strategy came you have to learn how to counter with whats thrown at you. Learn it.
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Re : Ok, time to end the PHH spam in blitz!
10. 02. 2011 23:50
ReinforceII
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Originally Posted by redrum
hmm i found the easiest way to COUNTER PHHs in the epicfail blitz mode is to use the ever wonderful MULTIPURPOSE Type 93M3 Mod 2 torpedos on a Simakai...Pwnage is what it creates
yeah i use same way to counter PHHW but I use Long-range Type93 Torpedo with KITA it's really work in blitz some match it's can sunk CV that in the back line too lol KITA FTW
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Re : Ok, time to end the PHH spam in blitz!
10. 03. 2011 00:12
V2CxBongRipz
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Originally Posted by TSLordPred
Originally Posted by aingeal
Originally Posted by TSLordPred
really guys is it hard to see its a game? you have HH vs PHH. HH does hardly any damage against surface ships. However PREMIUM HH does. Everything Premium on this game does better then anything of equal value. Example is the PBB for US. It outranges the current BB1 and 2 and sometimes a 3. Is that fair? no but hey they are premium.. if you want to balance the blitzes with PHH then allow ss1-2s
That argument is invalid. You aren't fixing an issue, you are attempting to balance the imbalance by another. Sadly, this one contrary to NF, goes with the other imbalance. How do you think SS1-2 will counter PHH in blitz? PBB are ships that offer advantages compared to regular BBs of the same level, but a BB2-3 with a decent driver at the helm can more than hold its own vs it. B65 and Dunk are actually the best exemple of that, only sevas and AD are really questionnable. Stating the reason for which content is OP (talking about PHH) also sadly to not constitute an arguement in favor, unless you explain why you support access to imbalanced content for money.
Its very valid, with my PBB seva or AD i could easily sink a bb5 because they have outrageous range for a ship of that lvl. Same as the PHH.. outrageous damage and range compared to regular HH. an SS1 in a blitz really isnt a bad idea. Adds a differetnt element. SS1s in GB's rarely can do anything since they have short air time and are very slow. To say its adding nother imbalance is lame since Kitas are allowed. Thats worse in a blitz then phh or ss1. With my kita all i have to do is turn and shoot and 90% of the enemy is sunk or damaged. There were a few times i actually killed all but one ship off the first salvo.. an ss1 would be like a cv1 currently is. Its a game changer in blitz but useless in GB's. This is a game with different strenghts and weaknesses, everyone needs to stop complaining and just figure out how to counter it. Examples: PHH in blitz countered by simakaze or kita Kita or Simakaze countered by BB's, CVs or other faster TW type ships if you put an SS1 you counter by PHH ships In a strategy came you have to learn how to counter with whats thrown at you. Learn it.
Is it just me or does that make no sense?
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Re : Ok, time to end the PHH spam in blitz!
10. 03. 2011 00:22
Maistral
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Originally Posted by V2CxBongRipz
Originally Posted by TSLordPred
Originally Posted by aingeal
Originally Posted by TSLordPred
really guys is it hard to see its a game? you have HH vs PHH. HH does hardly any damage against surface ships. However PREMIUM HH does. Everything Premium on this game does better then anything of equal value. Example is the PBB for US. It outranges the current BB1 and 2 and sometimes a 3. Is that fair? no but hey they are premium.. if you want to balance the blitzes with PHH then allow ss1-2s
That argument is invalid. You aren't fixing an issue, you are attempting to balance the imbalance by another. Sadly, this one contrary to NF, goes with the other imbalance. How do you think SS1-2 will counter PHH in blitz? PBB are ships that offer advantages compared to regular BBs of the same level, but a BB2-3 with a decent driver at the helm can more than hold its own vs it. B65 and Dunk are actually the best exemple of that, only sevas and AD are really questionnable. Stating the reason for which content is OP (talking about PHH) also sadly to not constitute an arguement in favor, unless you explain why you support access to imbalanced content for money.
Its very valid, with my PBB seva or AD i could easily sink a bb5 because they have outrageous range for a ship of that lvl. Same as the PHH.. outrageous damage and range compared to regular HH. an SS1 in a blitz really isnt a bad idea. Adds a differetnt element. SS1s in GB's rarely can do anything since they have short air time and are very slow. To say its adding nother imbalance is lame since Kitas are allowed. Thats worse in a blitz then phh or ss1. With my kita all i have to do is turn and shoot and 90% of the enemy is sunk or damaged. There were a few times i actually killed all but one ship off the first salvo.. an ss1 would be like a cv1 currently is. Its a game changer in blitz but useless in GB's. This is a game with different strenghts and weaknesses, everyone needs to stop complaining and just figure out how to counter it. Examples: PHH in blitz countered by simakaze or kita Kita or Simakaze countered by BB's, CVs or other faster TW type ships if you put an SS1 you counter by PHH ships In a strategy came you have to learn how to counter with whats thrown at you. Learn it.
Is it just me or does that make no sense?
me.
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Re : Ok, time to end the PHH spam in blitz!
10. 03. 2011 02:09
SylverXI
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There are no SS in Blitz, thus I think it should be removed. I prefer to use a TW DD instead of PHH DD, because I find it more effective. But if you get close enough with PHH to a BB1, you can 1 shot the thing in a DD LOL.
You can try to justify the situation by saying a DD should never get close or PHH cost $$$.
In blitz spread and reload speed is horrible, thus getting close to any enemy is pretty easy. There should be a limit to what $$$ can do, PHH is too much.
Also, in DD vs DD, PHH will always win. DD do need to get close to hit something and if the enemy has PHH on his DD it will stand no chance. PHH are lightweight(the gun/launcher and shells), thus ships with PHH are usually faster too.
In a battle between a TW vs a PHH, who would win? A PHH DD can run and slowly kill a TW DD until the enemy can't OH anymore and get close and finish it off from a distance.
I know this because I have played PHH DD and TW DD.(I find TW better, but PHH is generally better at CA/BB level in a DD) With PHH, there really isn't any need to use CL/CA/BB, thus eliminating the motivation to, and the great excitement of getting a new ship. DD are so much more fun :)
A compact ship with CL/CA range and BB firepower FTW!!!
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Re : Ok, time to end the PHH spam in blitz!
10. 03. 2011 09:31
TSLordPred
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Originally Posted by SylverXI
There are no SS in Blitz, thus I think it should be removed. I prefer to use a TW DD instead of PHH DD, because I find it more effective. But if you get close enough with PHH to a BB1, you can 1 shot the thing in a DD LOL.
You can try to justify the situation by saying a DD should never get close or PHH cost $$$.
In blitz spread and reload speed is horrible, thus getting close to any enemy is pretty easy. There should be a limit to what $$$ can do, PHH is too much.
Also, in DD vs DD, PHH will always win. DD do need to get close to hit something and if the enemy has PHH on his DD it will stand no chance. PHH are lightweight(the gun/launcher and shells), thus ships with PHH are usually faster too.
In a battle between a TW vs a PHH, who would win? A PHH DD can run and slowly kill a TW DD until the enemy can't OH anymore and get close and finish it off from a distance.
I know this because I have played PHH DD and TW DD.(I find TW better, but PHH is generally better at CA/BB level in a DD) With PHH, there really isn't any need to use CL/CA/BB, thus eliminating the motivation to, and the great excitement of getting a new ship. DD are so much more fun :)
A compact ship with CL/CA range and BB firepower FTW!!!
tw z99 ftw i love that dd.. one of my fav on the game
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Re : Ok, time to end the PHH spam in blitz!
10. 03. 2011 09:33
TSLordPred
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and for those who didnt understand that post, let me simplify it for you.. stop whining about premium items and how they are used. Prem Items are always gonna pwn the regular items even if it is guns/sailors ect.
Prem = pwnage thats how nf gets its money
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Re : Ok, time to end the PHH spam in blitz!
10. 03. 2011 09:42
joshmon999
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It is delicious irony that PHH were created in response to the hugely vocal bb-only segment of our population crying about 'OVAPOWAH SS!! NOES!!!', and then subsequently used to pwn those very same whiners. Sounds like a case of 'whine-karma'. It's just too funny.
Be careful what you wish for?
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Re : Ok, time to end the PHH spam in blitz!
10. 03. 2011 12:54
aingeal
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Originally Posted by TSLordPred
and for those who didnt understand that post, let me simplify it for you.. stop whining about premium items and how they are used. Prem Items are always gonna pwn the regular items even if it is guns/sailors ect.
Prem = pwnage thats how nf gets its money
In that particular case, its preventing game balance to be acheived. PCA and PBBs offer advantage but are balanced as such, the slight advantage due to the primitive split system isnt too unbalancing for the later, and the former gets often stacked against. You apparently make no difference between an advantage, and something that ruin game balance.
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