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50% exp penalty for BB's if you don't run a scout
12. 31. 2011 13:02
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ljsevern
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Obviously the RU BB1 and UK Nelson should be coded as exceptions.
While its funny watching a player with no scout begging for sight, its sad and is leaching in my opinion.
I would also support BB's being required to run a scout.
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Re : 50% exp penalty if you don't run a scout as a BB
01. 08. 2012 11:42
ciscodelorum
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Originally Posted by ljsevern
Originally Posted by ciscodelorum
Scouts are an optional addition to your ship and happen to help your team, however,
NavyFIELD is based on people playing how they want to play.
Call me a selfish noob all you want, but, if they add this limitation to NF,
you would no longer be free to use whatever setup I want.
Think about it, making scouts required for full XP is as bad as saying: "There is a 40% XP penalty for not using your Commissar's "recommended" ammunition."
I am free to use whatever ammo I wish, it could be HHE for extra firepower, NHE for a balance, or LHE for range, its all my decision, and you can't tell me otherwise.
Go ahead lJ, Rehor, and the NF trolls of the world, tell me I'm wrong, my argument is invalid, incorrect, or plain stupid, but, don't expect me to be playing much more NF with you.
Thanks for NOT trolling.
Using Auto gets an exp penalty.
And I highly dislike that as well.
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Re : 50% exp penalty if you don't run a scout as a BB
01. 08. 2012 11:47
ciscodelorum
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The XP penalty is already here anyway, you (A BB) don't carry a scout, you go blind, you lose, no attack = no XP.
Why bother making it worse for us people who have an extra rep/engie to lvl and our scout is already max'd?
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Re : 50% exp penalty if you don't run a scout as a BB
01. 08. 2012 13:47
ljsevern
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Originally Posted by jeffcma
This is kinda dumb suggestion, as it penalizes a player for setting up his ship the way HE wants it. Should be also penalize the BBs for not putting on AA guns or HHs in order to help the team. Last i checked this is a "Free World" game and players can put whatever they want on their ships. Just because you think that GBs are played as a TEAM is really where you have made your error. GBs are nothing more than a collection of individuals whos goals are to be sellfish and get as much as they can out of the battle. They could care less what others are doing, some try to help and play under team conditions, however, most dont, and the ones that do most are fleet mates working together on teamspeak or vent. Trying to level up that 14th sailor for a bb6 isnt very easy, and yea if someone is sellfish to think of themselves, omg what a world we live in.
Trying to level up a 14th for BB6? I've done it 4 times, and will be doing it two more times. I have countless extra for BB6. Why? Because I level up two BB lines for each nation, and I rotate my sailors. I get tonnes of exp in GB because I actually know how to play. I also wonder how you level your 13th for BB5, or 12th for BB4 etc etc... I know, multiple BO's and rotating sailors! Ships are restricted in what they can setup; See BB's with less than 12 inch guns. But feel free to actually come up with a justified reason.
Originally Posted by joshmon999
LJ, you're already covered every possible angle on this, why respond to a parade of people trying to justify selfish, self defeating behavior? The saddest thing of all is, whatever they think they 'gain' by not carrying a scout, it pales next to the benefit of being able to launch a scout and put some eyes in the sky, even if for only a second. The benefit is personal, AND for your team, while the benefit of any other type of sailor is pretty much insignificant. Let the selfish losers do what they always do, you aren't going to argue them into civic responsibility, or forcefully elevate their cognitive abilities, so why bother.
I personally blame modern parenting, and public schools.
We should be allowed to host our rooms the way we want. We should be able to just outright ban people who arent carrying scouts, or add a button similar to the "no torps" button, but have it say "scout required". And for God's sake, just add scouts to the 2 that dont have them, NF =/= RL, so there is zero reason to have it this way.
Oh how I would love to be able to ban scoutless BB's from rooms.
Originally Posted by ciscodelorum
Originally Posted by ljsevern
Originally Posted by ciscodelorum
Scouts are an optional addition to your ship and happen to help your team, however,
NavyFIELD is based on people playing how they want to play.
Call me a selfish noob all you want, but, if they add this limitation to NF,
you would no longer be free to use whatever setup I want.
Think about it, making scouts required for full XP is as bad as saying: "There is a 40% XP penalty for not using your Commissar's "recommended" ammunition."
I am free to use whatever ammo I wish, it could be HHE for extra firepower, NHE for a balance, or LHE for range, its all my decision, and you can't tell me otherwise.
Go ahead lJ, Rehor, and the NF trolls of the world, tell me I'm wrong, my argument is invalid, incorrect, or plain stupid, but, don't expect me to be playing much more NF with you.
Thanks for NOT trolling.
Using Auto gets an exp penalty.
And I highly dislike that as well.
Why?
Originally Posted by ciscodelorum
The XP penalty is already here anyway, you (A BB) don't carry a scout, you go blind, you lose, no attack = no XP.
Why bother making it worse for us people who have an extra rep/engie to lvl and our scout is already max'd?
Wrong. You rely on your team for sight, and you give no sight in return. This is a team game. How do you think Nelson's get attack? My UK scout has been maxed for 2 years. Yet, i've played L1 the past 2 months for fleet league practice. And other UK ships before that. Does it mean I go scoutless? No. Does it mean i'm a team player for using a scout? Yes. If you want to not waste exp; Then level a new scout. It isn't hard. Stop being selfish.
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Re : 50% exp penalty if you don't run a scout as a BB
01. 08. 2012 15:31
powerchief
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today during a GB i was on the same team as a MN bb5 with no scout.
bb5 with no scout but for many games i saw him.
when numbers in battle were dropping, he was the only crying for light, and telling cvs what to do... its a bb5
so when enemey cvs are smart and dbing cvs in the first round he is totaly lost...
but ok i always have my scouts with me. tobad iowa can only hold 2mustangs
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Re : 50% exp penalty if you don't run a scout as a BB
01. 10. 2012 14:56
snow_ball
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Its a nice thought, and I agree for the most part.
I wouldn't penalize BB1's to about BB3's though, because the EXP is already hard enough to get, and probably most are new players who don't know how to really play yet. And if there's no direct warning when you buy your first BB, they might not know and quit because they cant get shit for EXP. They could also be switching crew out to keep their crew somewhat equally leveled (I would keep running a scout, but a new player might not.)
Another class of ships is the EBBs and PBBs. They already have an EXP penalty and sometimes theres no room for a scout. Especially if they are running a full sub crew and also need supports to stay floating. (I myself run a scout anyways because when I don't scout continueously or my scout dies, my team goes blind.)
AND yet ANOTHER ship class to think about is RENTALS! The rental's main point is to get your level 40s as much EXP as possible for a great amount of credits. So the EXP penalty could NOT be inforced here because it is a specail ship class and you only get 3 uses.
But, on another note, one of the ideas of NF is to run your ship the way you want... So if you choose to not run a scout, that's your choise, so I doubt SDE will put this penalty in.
*** Don't bother picking at every little thing like you do to EVERYONE! I won't be checking this again, so don't bother wasting your time and useless words on quoting me and trying to discredit me because I don't fully agree with you...
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Re : 50% exp penalty if you don't run a scout as a BB
01. 10. 2012 18:05
ljsevern
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Originally Posted by snow_ball
Its a nice thought, and I agree for the most part.
I wouldn't penalize BB1's to about BB3's though, because the EXP is already hard enough to get, and probably most are new players who don't know how to really play yet. And if there's no direct warning when you buy your first BB, they might not know and quit because they cant get shit for EXP. They could also be switching crew out to keep their crew somewhat equally leveled (I would keep running a scout, but a new player might not.)
Another class of ships is the EBBs and PBBs. They already have an EXP penalty and sometimes theres no room for a scout. Especially if they are running a full sub crew and also need supports to stay floating. (I myself run a scout anyways because when I don't scout continueously or my scout dies, my team goes blind.)
AND yet ANOTHER ship class to think about is RENTALS! The rental's main point is to get your level 40s as much EXP as possible for a great amount of credits. So the EXP penalty could NOT be inforced here because it is a specail ship class and you only get 3 uses.
But, on another note, one of the ideas of NF is to run your ship the way you want... So if you choose to not run a scout, that's your choise, so I doubt SDE will put this penalty in.
*** Don't bother picking at every little thing like you do to EVERYONE! I won't be checking this again, so don't bother wasting your time and useless words on quoting me and trying to discredit me because I don't fully agree with you...
Exp is already hard enough to get in BB1-3? Try playing back in Beta. Its shared exp. EBB's and PBB's having an exp penalty? And no room for a scout? A PBB has BB4 support slots. Of course there is room for a scout. If you can't run your full crew, you rotate them Rentals? Of course you should have a scout on. It takes up a BB slot. End of. You can choose to run a scout if you want still. You just won't get more exp for it. Why should you leach your teams exp when you aren't helping with scouting? And if you don't want me proving you wrong yet again, don't post. Its up to you.
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Re : 50% exp penalty if you don't run a scout as a BB
01. 11. 2012 11:38
Filimon
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What is the rationale for not using a scout? Every player knows that blind=death.
There should be some penalty I agree.
A penalty at least for stupidity.
+1
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Re : 50% exp penalty if you don't run a scout as a BB
01. 12. 2012 04:00
mkzblaster
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50% is way to high... and suggesting players to use a scout is one thing, forcing them is another. Navyfield is barely limping by with the events as it is; but to make more players unhappy to please a few is just stupid. This really wouldn't help game play as many bb that have scouts don't launch them as it is now. So what 50% for not have one, 25% for not launching one?
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Re : 50% exp penalty if you don't run a scout as a BB
01. 12. 2012 04:00
mkzblaster
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50% is way to high... and suggesting players to use a scout is one thing, forcing them is another. Navyfield is barely limping by with the events as it is; but to make more players unhappy to please a few is just stupid. This really wouldn't help game play as many bb that have scouts don't launch them as it is now. So what 50% for not have one, 25% for not launching one?
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Re : 50% exp penalty if you don't run a scout as a BB
01. 12. 2012 06:42
ljsevern
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Originally Posted by mkzblaster
50% is way to high... and suggesting players to use a scout is one thing, forcing them is another. Navyfield is barely limping by with the events as it is; but to make more players unhappy to please a few is just stupid. This really wouldn't help game play as many bb that have scouts don't launch them as it is now. So what 50% for not have one, 25% for not launching one?
It doesn't force them. It will make the majority of players happy (see the BB scout poll). And feel free to prove that BB's don't launch their scouts. If they have a scout on board, they will use them.
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