@tomfoolery44: maybe for you is boring for me its one of the most funny ship to play

@Baker654: ok but to balance the SS gameplay also gave them more torps(at least x 3
) and reduce the failure of the torps (the failure rate its like 33,3%, not totally
sure about this)

@Sonlirain: do you realise a torp isn't a shell, also a torp got explosives...
wanna decrease the splash damage of the torps? ok but to balance decrease the splash
damage of the HH and deep charges

a ship lvl 25 can kill a SS from 1 hit (DC) or cripple with a full load of HHs but
a ship lvl 75 (SS4) can't kill it from one torp??!?!

if you have problems using a ASW DD maybe the problem isnt the SS even the ship...


@richardphat: maybe 30 or 20 secs will be cool for the air reload mayboe on the high
lvl subs but on the los lvl SS the reload is eternal about the reload again.. high
lvl subs only

@Kilaenots the speed nerf its a joke, have you tryed reach an enemy BB with a SS1 or a
SS2 ? and if you can't sink him on the first load of torps (the most common) you
must chase him, good luck with that chase
dont like the idea of remove the smoke on the SS

@silentsubusa: i liek the changes but the balance of a increase load should be the
same for the air capacity at a rate of 1 on 1

He was trying to quote lukas I think. Anyway whatever SirDUCURO aka alstein says is crap
anyway.

Can someone ban altsein's latest spare account that he is using to get around his forum
ban...

I can promise u V2 is way higher then lvl 45 and has played this game years longer,
but kudos for the effortless fail

ss have been nerfed directly or indirectly(buffed asw) over 12 times since the subs
came out

the worst patch for subs was the HE shell buff against submarines

imo the subs need to be able to change the R and T slots (ie: for all subs to be able
to use mines in aft torp slots) better chance of lower ss to make hits and defend....
to be able to take the guns off the lower subs may increase the speed of lower tiers
by 1 or 2 knots

another thing that would help the subs is if they limit the HH to only ff/dd/cl

the HH surface damage needs to be nerfed because they are more effective against
non-ss ships better than normal guns

another thing is to only have HH mounted on T slots only

free mines would be good too for ss and asw

a stupid question ...There are forum moderators?4 of topic flame?
Wasn't Wulfman the guy that claimed US Fighters weren't overpowered?

Good to know we can discount your opinion as being biased and useless.

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Re : Do you think that Subs need to be nerfed more?
04 26 2011 12:12PM
Yes he was.
nope forum mod sux only come in pm....pff and crap..btw is not altsein here
now on topic
ijn ss 4 kinda nead nerf ,used professional and 900 sd rape both km ss& bb....pure beast vs bb
tested in batle whit low sd and crew under 78

@above
No. Simple fact is you are cutting subs in half. Doing 4x reload and 2x air? I want BB
reload x4 and ammo x2. That's a pretty big nerf if you ask me.

Except maybe the snorkel part and I think RL should cap at 30, not 45.

Ok, sure, the HEI may be able to oneshot a BB6, but it has 8 torpedo tubes, and no
rear tubes. Also, bear in mind, in most games the subs are busy with ASW untill they
run out of air, and then, a BB1 can oneshot the ss. Is it really fair that a lvl 55 BB can
oneshot a lvl 80 sub? thats not fair in itsself, but, the sub can oneshot it back. So, its
fair. BB oneshot SS, SS oneshot BB. i would agree that the subs are messed up, but
in a different way. I think the subs reload way too fast. IE: an HEI who can grad
spam torps then reload in 20 seconds, so only 10 seconds between firing full salvo
of torps. Subs need much greater reload, and to compensate for this, more air.

I propose the following:

4x the normal reload on all subs, and CAP it at 45 seconds.

2X the air time in subs, compensating for the reload cap
OR
add a snorkel depth that allows the sub to not use air, but only move at 5 knots
MAX.

Subs don't necessarily need to be nerfed but they do need to be changed. They need a play
style that isn't

ffffffffffffffffffffffffffff u ffffffffffffffffffffffffffff click space space space die

My suggestion is to make them require a little more patience. To do this they need:

a speed nerf, max OH needs to be lower than all bbs so around 35/37
more dive time, subs should be able to stay under for a long time and creep up on people
make ss visable when they oh, a counter to the sonar not picking them up when dd/cl OH.

Need highlevel dd/cl for ASW @lvl90 + they don't need to be awesomly powerful just so high
level crew get exp on them and so they will fit.

Variation in ss set up. Perhaps different torps, choose between many low damage (5kish
torps) or 1 or 2 bb killer torps (could even be 25-30k each but single fire).

stop ss being able to smoke seriously this just adds more lameness than ever to ss.

ANyway that's what I'd do (roughly).

Thanks to our developpers, who developped an unwanted game design,
making 1 HH grenade hitting near 1k damage and 3k damage for PHH, on
surface, while submerge is still a joke if you slightly miss.

That being said, they buffed the reload time making you need to surface 15
sec for staying another 40 seconds+, and give back 100% repair rate.
So much for a nerf when most people from the poll vote nerf.