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    11. 19. 2006 20:23

Rengokuy
Please Restickey!

Granted by Angus725 *dated March 24th, 2011*

---------------------------I was right-------------------------

Trees (to large to post, copy paste into your browser)
*ignore French and Italian DD lines, they are being changed
France - http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i211/Rengokuy/FrenchTree.jpg
Italy - http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i211/Rengokuy/ItalyTree.jpg
Russia - http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i211/Rengokuy/RussiaTree.jpg

*Updating ships to match the trees
Edit - Richelieu remodel to Jean Bart, not Gascagone
Edit - Bearn remodel to Joffre (as they have same capacity, one just trades
armor/armament
for speed)

-for people who want to know the capabilities of the guns, nearly all are found on
this website http://www.navweaps.com/


(boring intro section, scroll past to get to the ships and pretty pictures)
Short and Sweet, the French and Italians had good strong navies during WWII.
Both would be workable into the current game, ideally as their own nation, using
their own crews.

The French Navy would be a speedy one at that. Range would be rather long,
either equal to or a bit farther than most german guns at level. French DD's will be
some of the best in game, each with high damaging, fast firing guns. CL's and CA's
would be fast hard hitters that don't present much of a target, but they will be very
vulnrable to shell fire as they didn't mount much armor, a problem remidied in the
BB's. The French carriers would all be rather slow, their aircraft typical until higher
levels. BB's would all be above average, with long firing guns. (don't let the PBB
Dunkerque fool you, they had much better range than that)
Richelieu's guns had a longer range than the Iowa's.
All battleships would be capable of defending themselves from aircraft as well.

As for the Italian Navy, it would be a nation of Cruisers and AA guns. Heavy and Light
Cruisers would be the strongest of any nation in the game. DD's would be a trick to
use. All would have few mounts (usually only 2 or 3) but remain the same size as
other nations DD's. BB's would be typical until higher levels when they improve
drastically. Italian Carriers would be tend to have a little less plane space than their
counterparts, but be able to equip much heavier armament. Italian guns in general
had very long ranges, even over german guns. This was achieved at the grave price
of short barrel lives. The FCS system was very effective, tight salvos are to be
expected. Armor would be rated in giving about 20% stronger than the USN armor.

The Russian navy. Well, they will be very interesting indeed. Right from the beginning
they get very fast destroyers with considerably heavy armament. Russian cruisers
will be a bit more difficult to use. Their armament usually lighter than ships of the
same weight, their only advantages being tight salvos and small profiles. The
Russian battleships will be, for lack of better words, terrors to fight. The early on
ones based of the Gangut class, they are small targets with a lot of guns, the only
disadvantage being lack of AA defense, a problem remedied at the BB4 and 5 level,
the ships here built in practice with current US ones (iowa and montana). Even their
aircraft carriers are well armed, each making good speed and decent capacity. As for
their aircrafts, figters will be good, but bombs and torpedoes relativily weak.
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  • Re : New Nations French/Italian/Russian

    05. 09. 2008 15:45

goggles2
rengokuy guess what....

they have finally given in Yunos May update mentioned addtion of french russian and
italian navies in the future!!!!!

everyone read yunos may update

congrats rengokuy all your hard work seems to have paid off :)

  • Re : New Nations French/Italian/Russian

    05. 05. 2008 22:18

The13thDevil
Sweet, more nation to try out and more PBB and PCA and PCL to buy :-/...

  • Re : New Nations French/Italian/Russian

    05. 05. 2008 20:10

chibata
Nice!
I just checked Russian line, but I was not able to see Marati... Is it not there?

Cheers

  • Re : New Nations French/Italian/Russian

    05. 05. 2008 19:22

a3001
SSSSSSOOOOOOOOO many new ships!!! i'm just dizzy from just reading the first
post!!

  • Re : New Nations French/Italian/Russian

    05. 05. 2008 10:24

Rengokuy
Webber - Chervona Ukraina (ex - Admiral Nakhimov) is of the Profintern class. You may not
have it listed as a Profintern because sources list the ships either by their Russian or
Soviet name. I will try to include any ex-names though when I go though the ship lines to
try to clear up some confusion.
I included the Opytnyi for it's light armament. NF is a game and doesn't have to be true
to life, the lines were made to fill the role of the intended lvl ship. That is also the
reason I chose the the Petropavlovsk Class over the Rurik, it's layout being more suitable
of the games "PCA" (2 larger main guns and a BB - like secondary) This is also why the
Danton was chosen over the Edgar Quient, which was actually in the French CA line for a while.
As for russian light cruisers, the line is a little weak, the Aruror (Pallada class) and
Bogatyr class will proably be added into the line one I have the time to, Aurora doesn't
really fit the role of PCL anyway.
D' Estrees is a suitable PCL layout wise, but her armament is far to light, the Bouvines
filling the role much better. (She is essentially a mini battleship in both armor and
armament.)

So hopefully i will have 4 light Cruisers for Russia, possibly more Heavy cruisers if I
tap into their Armored/Protecteds, make two lines out of it. Thank you for your opinion.

Jwk/billy - Thank you

  • Re : New Nations French/Italian/Russian

    05. 05. 2008 06:06

DavidWeber
Also,Edgar Quinet is the best choice for French PCA in my mind.
D'Estrees is suitable for French PCL.

  • Re : New Nations French/Italian/Russian

    05. 05. 2008 05:43

DavidWeber
I think just add Chervona Ukraina to USSR.2 CL is not enough.

Chervona Ukraina
Displacement: 7600 tons standard, 8400 tons full load
Length: 158.4 m (max)
Beam: 15.7 m
Draft: 6.6 m
Machinery: 4 shaft geared turbines, 4 boilers, 55,000 hp
Speed: 29,5 knots
Range: 3700 nm at 14 knots, 2900 tons oil fuel
Armament:
fifteen 130 mm guns,
eight 100 mm AA guns,
12 torpedo tubes
100 mines
Armour:
75 mm main belt,
30 mm deck,
75 mm conning tower
Aircraft: 1
Crew: 850
[IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/aa/Krasnaya_Ukraina.jpg[/IMG]

For USSR PCA and PCL,Rurik (1906) and Aurora will be suitable.

Rurik
Displacement: 15,170 tons
Length: 490 ft (149 m)
Beam: 75 ft (23 m)
Draught: 26 ft (8 m)
Machinery: 2 shaft Vertical Triple expansion steam engines, 28 Bellville coal fired
boilers 20,675 hp
Speed: 21 knots
Armament:
4 x 10 inch guns (2 x 2)
8 x 8-inch (203 mm) guns (4 x 2)
20 x 120 mm (20 x 1)
4 x 47 mm guns,
2 x 18-inch (457 mm) torpedo tubes
Armour: Krupp armour
Belt 6 inch max,
8-7 inch turrets,
8-6 inch barbettes,
1.5 inch deck,
3 inch casemates,
8 inch conning tower
Crew: 899
[IMG]
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/Russian_armored_cuiser_Rurik
_%281908%29.jpg[/IMG]

Aurora
Displacement: 6731 tons
Length: 126.8 m (416.0 ft)
Beam: 16.8 m (55.1 ft)
Draught: 7.3 m (24.0 ft)
Propulsion: 1903:
Triple shaft. Three triple expansion reciprocating steam engines; 24 coal-fired
Belleville boilers. Total power 11,610 hp[2]
Speed: 19 knots
Range: 7,200 km (4000 miles) at 10 knots
Complement: 590[1]
Armament:
14 x 152 mm guns
4 x 76 mm AA guns
Machine guns
3 x torpedo tubes (two underwater)
[IMG]
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/14/Aurora_cruiser.jpg/800p
x-Aurora_cruiser.jpg[/IMG]

7U and Ognevoy class destroyer are better choice,Opytny was not a successful ship,
with severe problems with her machinery and with stability.

  • Re : New Nations French/Italian/Russian

    05. 05. 2008 02:07

billybobjo
great idea lots of hard work too sounds like fun

  • Re : New Nations French/Italian/Russian

    04. 28. 2008 06:02

jwdk
not bad , it would b interesting

always stuck at the same trees, not so interesting anymore

  • Re : New Nations French/Italian/Russian

    04. 26. 2008 06:24

Serbijanac
actually rengo what i thought of in not 2 lines but a simmilar thing to a BB project
line in germans to add a remodel next to the ships and that you get it at bit higher
level so it adds bbs to the line ,and you can put Arhangelsk [Revenge] too BB1 to
make more lines there, i got better idea ill propose my VMF tree soon ,and rest of
posters could too perhaps...?