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    11. 19. 2006 20:23

Rengokuy
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Granted by Angus725 *dated March 24th, 2011*

---------------------------I was right-------------------------

Trees (to large to post, copy paste into your browser)
*ignore French and Italian DD lines, they are being changed
France - http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i211/Rengokuy/FrenchTree.jpg
Italy - http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i211/Rengokuy/ItalyTree.jpg
Russia - http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i211/Rengokuy/RussiaTree.jpg

*Updating ships to match the trees
Edit - Richelieu remodel to Jean Bart, not Gascagone
Edit - Bearn remodel to Joffre (as they have same capacity, one just trades
armor/armament
for speed)

-for people who want to know the capabilities of the guns, nearly all are found on
this website http://www.navweaps.com/


(boring intro section, scroll past to get to the ships and pretty pictures)
Short and Sweet, the French and Italians had good strong navies during WWII.
Both would be workable into the current game, ideally as their own nation, using
their own crews.

The French Navy would be a speedy one at that. Range would be rather long,
either equal to or a bit farther than most german guns at level. French DD's will be
some of the best in game, each with high damaging, fast firing guns. CL's and CA's
would be fast hard hitters that don't present much of a target, but they will be very
vulnrable to shell fire as they didn't mount much armor, a problem remidied in the
BB's. The French carriers would all be rather slow, their aircraft typical until higher
levels. BB's would all be above average, with long firing guns. (don't let the PBB
Dunkerque fool you, they had much better range than that)
Richelieu's guns had a longer range than the Iowa's.
All battleships would be capable of defending themselves from aircraft as well.

As for the Italian Navy, it would be a nation of Cruisers and AA guns. Heavy and Light
Cruisers would be the strongest of any nation in the game. DD's would be a trick to
use. All would have few mounts (usually only 2 or 3) but remain the same size as
other nations DD's. BB's would be typical until higher levels when they improve
drastically. Italian Carriers would be tend to have a little less plane space than their
counterparts, but be able to equip much heavier armament. Italian guns in general
had very long ranges, even over german guns. This was achieved at the grave price
of short barrel lives. The FCS system was very effective, tight salvos are to be
expected. Armor would be rated in giving about 20% stronger than the USN armor.

The Russian navy. Well, they will be very interesting indeed. Right from the beginning
they get very fast destroyers with considerably heavy armament. Russian cruisers
will be a bit more difficult to use. Their armament usually lighter than ships of the
same weight, their only advantages being tight salvos and small profiles. The
Russian battleships will be, for lack of better words, terrors to fight. The early on
ones based of the Gangut class, they are small targets with a lot of guns, the only
disadvantage being lack of AA defense, a problem remedied at the BB4 and 5 level,
the ships here built in practice with current US ones (iowa and montana). Even their
aircraft carriers are well armed, each making good speed and decent capacity. As for
their aircrafts, figters will be good, but bombs and torpedoes relativily weak.
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  • Re : New Nations French/Italian/Russian

    04. 24. 2008 17:15

Bismarck83
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  • Re : New Nations French/Italian/Russian

    04. 22. 2008 20:43

ShadowCapt
Hmm the pbbs will be a difficult factor. I have a solution if it already hasnt been
resolved?

Perhaps that the lines could be diffrent in a way that the AD for example would be a
higher lvl (75?)for the italians to use and the guns could not be configures for km
11s. The same thing with the Dun. So that the pbbs and the actual ships arent
ripping off people by accident.

  • Re : New Nations French/Italian/Russian

    04. 22. 2008 13:00

Rengokuy
Starbomber - hmmm, first off, my lines are a little messed up as they are only the first
version. For france, it will be split between 2 DD lines, one using a smaller caliber
faster firing gun (5.1 in) the other using heavier guns with slower reload (5.5in), they
will then go to the DD4 which is the Mogador. The italians will end with the "Commandanti
Medaglie D'Oro Class" a class that was laid down, but none were ever finished. (4 5.3in,
same as the AD secondary armament) As for Harbors I already have them sharing harbors
with the current nations, France shares with UK, Russia shares with US (port Arthur fell
to the Japanese before their entrance in WWII), and Italy share with KM.

Wiley/Demo/Nemy/Kil - Thanks

Nala - I love the Bearn as well. It is a tank of a CV, Can almost mount enough armor to
bounce BB shells, 6.1in guns (4 per side) and a dazzle paint scheme, it'll be beastly for
a CV3. Although, it is slow, thets why I added the Joffre as a remodle instead of a second
CV3, they had the same capacity, just cater to different CV players, namely Joffre is for
the standard CV player, the Bearn for the CV player who likes using gunners.

  • Re : New Nations French/Italian/Russian

    04. 22. 2008 11:37

Kilpatrick
i love this idea recommend

  • Re : New Nations French/Italian/Russian

    04. 22. 2008 11:17

nala2624
I love the Bearn but knowing the guys at NF they'll mutate it into somkething
grotesque. lol, jk. But I dount it would look at beautiful as the one in the pic.

  • Re : New Nations French/Italian/Russian

    04. 22. 2008 10:30

TheBobWiley
Bump, Also AMAZING work. This ought to make it a lot easier for the admins and such if
they undertook this addition. Great job man.

  • Re : New Nations French/Italian/Russian

    04. 19. 2008 15:28

Demonax
Good job!

  • Re : New Nations French/Italian/Russian

    04. 19. 2008 11:13

USSNemesis
i will recommend tomorow even though i doubt this will ever happen

  • Re : New Nations French/Italian/Russian

    04. 19. 2008 10:37

StarBomber10
dbbl post but I had to get this out there.

I saw someone post that SDE can't add more harbors, so, what if they didn't have to?

The "French Navy" was split in half early in World War Two, some of it defecting to the
Free French, but a large chunk of it becoming part of the Vichy French forces (de-facto
German). So, how about, instead of creating new ports, we let them dock at exsisting ports.

They would be "allied" sailors

French BOs could dock at either London or Hamburg

Italian BOs could dock at either Hamburg or Tokyo

Russian BOs could dock at either New York or (Tokyo? But since the Japanese and Russians
have been fighting over an Asian port by the name of "Port Arthur" for a long time before
WW2, it's not too much of a stretch...I think?)

Maybe where they dock could affect what kind of guns they could buy....maybe not. Maybe
it wouldn't have to be a final choice. I'm not starting another thread for this, but I
felt I had to get it out there. Just an idea, trying to ease the pain or something.

  • Re : New Nations French/Italian/Russian

    04. 18. 2008 10:20

StarBomber10
Suggested since the end of time but HEY! This guy has a PLAN. (and a shiptree)

This'd take a lot of time, but I'd love to see more ships. PBBs might get a bit hairy
though...

Edit:

Ok, since I don't want to just sit on this, I decided to draw out the DD4 for the French line.

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l245/StarBomber109/FrenchDD4.jpg

It would be comparable to the O-class, but looking at it's layout again, it MAY warrant
another rear R slot. Two torpedo slots was more based on "What does a DD 4 need?" rather
than the actual arms of the ship.

And yes, I think it should be able to outrun any DD out there, even SW z99s :P