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  • New Nations French/Italian/Russian

    11. 19. 2006 20:23

Rengokuy
Please Restickey!

Granted by Angus725 *dated March 24th, 2011*

---------------------------I was right-------------------------

Trees (to large to post, copy paste into your browser)
*ignore French and Italian DD lines, they are being changed
France - http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i211/Rengokuy/FrenchTree.jpg
Italy - http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i211/Rengokuy/ItalyTree.jpg
Russia - http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i211/Rengokuy/RussiaTree.jpg

*Updating ships to match the trees
Edit - Richelieu remodel to Jean Bart, not Gascagone
Edit - Bearn remodel to Joffre (as they have same capacity, one just trades
armor/armament
for speed)

-for people who want to know the capabilities of the guns, nearly all are found on
this website http://www.navweaps.com/


(boring intro section, scroll past to get to the ships and pretty pictures)
Short and Sweet, the French and Italians had good strong navies during WWII.
Both would be workable into the current game, ideally as their own nation, using
their own crews.

The French Navy would be a speedy one at that. Range would be rather long,
either equal to or a bit farther than most german guns at level. French DD's will be
some of the best in game, each with high damaging, fast firing guns. CL's and CA's
would be fast hard hitters that don't present much of a target, but they will be very
vulnrable to shell fire as they didn't mount much armor, a problem remidied in the
BB's. The French carriers would all be rather slow, their aircraft typical until higher
levels. BB's would all be above average, with long firing guns. (don't let the PBB
Dunkerque fool you, they had much better range than that)
Richelieu's guns had a longer range than the Iowa's.
All battleships would be capable of defending themselves from aircraft as well.

As for the Italian Navy, it would be a nation of Cruisers and AA guns. Heavy and Light
Cruisers would be the strongest of any nation in the game. DD's would be a trick to
use. All would have few mounts (usually only 2 or 3) but remain the same size as
other nations DD's. BB's would be typical until higher levels when they improve
drastically. Italian Carriers would be tend to have a little less plane space than their
counterparts, but be able to equip much heavier armament. Italian guns in general
had very long ranges, even over german guns. This was achieved at the grave price
of short barrel lives. The FCS system was very effective, tight salvos are to be
expected. Armor would be rated in giving about 20% stronger than the USN armor.

The Russian navy. Well, they will be very interesting indeed. Right from the beginning
they get very fast destroyers with considerably heavy armament. Russian cruisers
will be a bit more difficult to use. Their armament usually lighter than ships of the
same weight, their only advantages being tight salvos and small profiles. The
Russian battleships will be, for lack of better words, terrors to fight. The early on
ones based of the Gangut class, they are small targets with a lot of guns, the only
disadvantage being lack of AA defense, a problem remedied at the BB4 and 5 level,
the ships here built in practice with current US ones (iowa and montana). Even their
aircraft carriers are well armed, each making good speed and decent capacity. As for
their aircrafts, figters will be good, but bombs and torpedoes relativily weak.
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  • Re : New Nations French/Italian/Russian

    04. 17. 2008 21:52

LtOlson
VERY thought out, a full year of keeping this active and moving ahead.

Good work.

  • Re : New Nations French/Italian/Russian

    04. 17. 2008 18:52

Rengokuy
zero - Sorry, but they will use the ones for the Harbor they are in. So the French use
Queen Victoria, Russians use Arkansas, and Italians get the Kaiser.

papasmurt - I have not been contacted by TNF or SDE about the addition, and really don't
expect to. If new nations were to be added this, I feel, is the best way for both player
base and SDE (profit wise) But there are no guarentee on the addition. The opposite and
much poorer method of applying them would be just taking a few of the capital ships and
crusiers and adding them like the PBB's. There would really be no point in that method,
and they'd be better off just adding the ships that were left out of the current nations.

delta - I have no clue, it was seen a while ago by a mod who told me adding new harbors
was out of the question, but adding new lines in the current one was ok. That's all I know.

toast - Thank you

Other peeps - HOLY GOLDFISH, it's over! It's finally over! All the trees are
done!!!!........now to get them in game >.<

  • Re : New Nations (French/Italian/Russian)

    04. 05. 2008 18:57

iliketoast86
BUMP!!! THIS THREADS TOO GOOD TO GET EATED!!!!!
(and my reccomendation is going to this)

  • Re : New Nations (French/Italian/Russian)

    04. 02. 2008 05:08

DeltaFart95
Anything being considered for this, didn't want to search through this, but all the
details he's presented are good enough where I think they should be added in.
Would spice it up a bit

  • Re : New Nations (French/Italian/Russian)

    04. 02. 2008 02:32

Papasmurt
Any word on nf's response to this?

  • Re : New Nations (French/Italian/Russian)

    04. 01. 2008 17:01

ComnderZero
rengokuy got any ideas for bb6s for these 3 nations

  • Re : New Nations (French/Italian/Russian)

    04. 01. 2008 16:54

trranger
all that and torp, sub chassers,and tenders boats should be added too

  • Re : New Nations (French/Italian/Russian)

    03. 31. 2008 14:45

Rengokuy
Bravo/Spook/Paladin/Ferial/Zid - Thank you very much :D

td20 - This suggestion is only about France/Italy/Russia, and only those. It's good to
have national pride but I'm sorry,I will not be making a post about the addition of the
Canadian line, if you want to play Canada, just go UK Country line, you will get most the
major Canadian ships then apart from a Minotaur Class. I'd also say this is end of
discussion for Canada in this topic. This is not the thread to support or defend the
addition of it, there are many threads like that in general discussion.

Trranger - Yes, I use that site mainly for line arts of ships, as they usually have the
best ones. My information comes from "Conways All the Worlds Fighting Ships" (1906 -
1921, and 1022 - 1946 editions) Tony Gibbions "Ships", along with a few web sources. NONE
of them are wikipedia. I can assure you, Wikipedia is an awful resource, you can use the
links on the bottom of it, but never believe anything you see on it unless you can back it
up with a paper resource. Also, PT Boats, Destroyer Escorts (FF's) all those other things
have to be added in game before I go adding it here. The only thing I put on this topic
before they were officially announced were submarines, because I assumed that they would
be put in. Not that I don't think all the others cant be put in, there is just no major
topic suggesting them yet. (although I will most likely be the one doing that too)

Paducha - I have to agree with Commander, until you've played this game for more than a
year or two, it's hard to understand. I can also assure you that these Navies all played
a major role in WWII, there is a large difference between the army and navy. These lines
will give veteran players a breath of fresh air.


phew....I think that was everyone, sorry If I missed your comment >.<

  • Re : New Nations (French/Italian/Russian)

    03. 31. 2008 13:13

trranger
should add pt boats, subchasers, corvettes, escorts ,(HMBs)high speed boats,(CDSs)costal
defence ships,sloops, aa ships. into dds and ffs

  • Re : New Nations (French/Italian/Russian)

    03. 31. 2008 12:20

ComnderZero
@ paduca

im pretty sure you will be bored one day just playing the same 4 nations