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  • Your thoughts on "Whale Wars"

    08. 03. 2009 14:24

Valefar
I recently argued with my GF concerning the tactics of the Sea Shepard crew of "Whale
Wars" on Animal Planet. Seeing as many of us are naval enthusiasts, I though I'd bring the
discussion here.

http://animal.discovery.com/tv/whale-wars/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whale_Wars

Synopsis: this series follows the crew of the Steve Irwin (SI), a ship who is crewed and
funded by the non-profit organization Sea Shepards. The SI (flying a Dutch flag)
interferes with Japanese boats off the coast of Antarctica as they harvest whales. The
Japanese maintain that they are researching sustainably whaling techniques, while the Sea
Shepards argue that it is in direct violation of International Law and barbaric.

I am pretty well-read concerning the international whaling laws, the Japanese research
efforts, the Sea Shepards' arguments against the Japanese, the history of Paul Watson (the
SI captain and Sea Shepard leader), but only have a limited knowledge of the show (I just
watched 3 episodes). The organization is based out of a town I used to live in, and I am
familiar with the political issues.

My questions are these:
-who do you support and why?
-is this show beneficial or detrimental to either organization involved?
-is there a better way to affect whale harvesting, regardless of motive?
-any other general thoughts by you?
-am I wasting my time here, and should I be paying attention to the conference call I am on?

I have my own opinions, and will state them once the thread gets going (I tried to be as
unbiased as possible in my descriptions). Since the original argument was with my GF, I
already started off as being wrong :P
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  • Re : Your thoughts on

    04. 05. 2011 12:40

mysharona
i can handle emma lol

roooaaaarrrr

  • Re : Your thoughts on

    04. 05. 2011 12:34

Stevez
Stop the whalers and whale hunting .
whales are in there teritory no means of exterminate them
shoot the whalers !!!!!!!!

  • Re : Your thoughts on

    04. 05. 2011 12:28

js23
@mysharona
you better stop now before emma puts a Bounty on ur head lol

  • Re : Your thoughts on

    04. 05. 2011 10:36

mysharona
animals dont care when they kill us. toxins and venoms can take days to kill us

its human nature.

like the house you live in was once home to a variety of animals etc, the towns,
cities etc had to be made by steamrolling through woodland etc

and, leather shoes are very comfy, much better than the grass shoes you wear

  • Re : Your thoughts on

    04. 05. 2011 08:47

Emma9
@mysharona

The difference is one takes minutes to die, while the other takes up to hours. And in
the case of the latter, there's also saltwater coming in contact with the wound.

If that's to hard to visualize, just grab a knife from your kitchen, and stab into your
torso. Then have someone continually rub salt or pour alcohol into your wound. Tell
me if you like how it feels.

If I stabbed one single person and twisted the knife around until he died, I would be
labeled a sadistic murderer or psychopath. Yet when the same is done to whales in
their hundreds and thousands, all people say is, it's the Japanese's right and
culture? Screw that.

The problem I have is not neccessarily with harvesting animals, rather, it is with
people like you who regard animals as a lower class, and thus we humans can and
should do whatever we wish to them, with blatant disregard of the needless
suffering and pain inflicted.

Often times, these activities are done for sport (e.g. hunting), or for a non-essential
food source or luxury item.

It simply infuriates me that an alligator has to die because someone wants leather
shoes when synthetic ones would do an equally capable job of shielding his feet.

Or that a fox has to die because some bitch wants a fur coat when one made of
nylon and insulation is equally capable of keeping her warm.

Or that a harmless deer has to die because some hunter wants a trophy to hang on
his wall. I mean, is that really neccessary and worth taking a life for?

Or that sharks have their fins sliced off and left to die, just so some Chinese people
can carry on their tradition of having sharks fin at the dinner table as a status
symbol.

Or in the case of whaling, magnificent creatures have to die because the Japanese
want an exotic meat as a delicacy, when there are hundreds of other types of fish
they can eat.

Animals are a food source, I fully agree. But if we humans are as 'civilized',
'intelligent' or 'evolved' as we proclaim ourselves to be, then can't we at least make
an effort to treat them humanely?

We've made great efforts to execute criminals (people who are real animals)
humanely, yet the same consideration or effort is rarely given to innocent creatures
unfortunate enough to be living on the same planet as us.

And, can't we also try to reduce harvesting them unless there's an urgent need to?
Think of sharks fin and whale meat. The world would not starve or grind to a halt if
neither is on the table.

Anyone who thinks along the lines of, "But who cares. It's just an animal", is
degenerate retard that's not worthy of living on this planet.

  • Re : Your thoughts on

    04. 04. 2011 11:13

WetHog
I am clear on both, and I stand by my statement.

WetHog

  • Re : Your thoughts on

    04. 04. 2011 10:48

Valefar
@Wethog

Seeing as the Kyoto Protocol was an international commitment (i.e. not mandatory) to the
reduction of pollution, and that the whaling ban is put in place by a committee with no
power whatsoever (i.e. not mandatory) to not kill whales, it is a sound analogy. Neither
"committee" behind the creation of either has any real power whatsoever, so I'll stand by
my comparison. Feel free to read up on both, since you seem to be confused to the point of
tossing insults around :)

  • Re : Your thoughts on

    04. 04. 2011 10:30

WetHog
The Kyoto Protocol was a joke when it was introduced, and its a joke you brought
that up in this thread. Thanks for the laugh.

As for the Whale Wars and how it is wrong to hunt Whales, unless you eat grass
and twigs you shouldn't comment on it.

Me personally, I love the show. Its great entertainment to watch a bunch of hippie
volunteers with zero seamanship skills try and stop well trained and well funded
Whalers. I will say though I hope they mix things up a bit more this season. Last
season was a bummer with the Ady Gil sinking. The rest of that season was a
drawn out bore fest. Heres to hoping something dramatic happens this season.
Either another boat sinks, or Capt. Paul Watson finally gets his teeth fixed. lol

My favorite time of the TV season starts soon. Got "The Deadliest Catch" starting on
the 12th, and Whale Wars sometime this summer. Good times! ;)

WetHog

  • Re : Your thoughts on

    04. 04. 2011 08:46

Valefar
@JS23

Actually, they're not endangered. The populations the Japanese hunt are, in fact, well
populated species. Also, some deer and bears where I live are endangered.

http://iwcoffice.org/conservation/estimate.htm

The issue comes from an international moratorium on whaling, which the Japanese skirt
using the pretense of "research". This isn't uncommon; the US does it all the time with
drilling, war, and things like the Kyoto Protocol. Many other countries are guilty as well :P

  • Re : Your thoughts on

    04. 04. 2011 07:48

mysharona
so?

its the circle of liiiiife, its the wheel of fortune!!! etc etc

species come and go, whales have had their time
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