lol that episode was awsome not raceist raceist at all

I think the japs are wrng but the sea sheperds are too immature...

Say have you guys seen the southpark episode about this?
Its called "Whale Whores". Pretty funny

"I can't help but feel there's an element of divine karma at work."

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At this point you are already out of logic, obviously. Ignorance to the science makes
you look as if your 'God' made your brain slow.

'There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance.' Socrates said.

And about the hit on the temple, have you actually seen it? A hard shock to the
head often cause a fit of violent convulsions. That must be horrible sight for you,
worse than harpoon.

All I want to say is, you don`t know things, therefore you should not speak things.
It is very irresponsible.

@Vandeg

It's like this. I believe in humane treatment of all living beings, so long as they do
not pose a threat to other living beings for entertainment or sport.

But when a person has the intention to hurt an animal for fun, luxury or
entertainment, then he deserves to be stopped at all costs, even if it means killing
him. Because in my eyes, a human being who kills animals without neccessity is less
worthy of a place on this planet than an innocent creature who is merely trying to
survive.

I'd sidetrack for a moment. Take for example, the bitch who tossed puppies off a
bridge for fun and posed the video on Youtube, like it was something to be proud of.
What good is such a person on this world?

On the other hand, those puppies that died, had they had a chance to live, they
could have given many families countless years of loyalty and companionship. So
yes, if murder wasn't a crime and I knew who she was, I would put a bullet in her
without hesitation or remorse.

Normally you wouldn't hurt another person. But if someone is trying to kill you, then
you have to defend yourself at all costs, even if it means killing him first. But unlike
humans, animals are often defenseless, which is why I find it great that there are
people like the Sea Shepard fighting on their behalf, using whatever means
neccessary.

Society won't grind to a halt if there isn't whale meat on the table. There are
countless other alternatives. I'm aware that chicken farming, cattle farming or fish
farming isn't exactly painless either, but at least a slit to the throat or a swift
beheading causes less suffering than a harpoon would.

At the end of the day, what I detest are people who deem animals as 'lower class',
so they can do whatever they like without thinking about how the creature would
feel or suffer. The types that go, 'Oh, it's just a whale'.

If one day, they could develop a method that renders a whale unconscious almost
instanteneously, with the meat needed as a staple, then by all means, I have no
protest. But now, when the meat is more of a luxury, exotic dish, and the methods
so brutal, I take up the animal's cause.

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@hachioji

I'm not saying the Japanese deserve it, as that's for God to decide, but I can't help
but feel there's an element of divine karma at work.

As for shark's fin, what's retarded is failed to understand what I'm saying. Which is,
with recent awareness on the brutal methods of harvesting shark's fin, a lot of
people have stopped eating it.

It is impossible for zero consumption, but the amount has definitely reduced quite a
lot. I have been to countless Chinese dinners that substitute the traditional shark's
fin course with other items, and some even go to the extent of placing cards on the
table explaining that to all diners that they didn't want to contribute to the demand.

People's appetite for shark's fin are slowly changing where I live. It may take a while
before the whole world totally stops, but at least there's progress.

A blow to the temple is relatively painless, compared to having a harpoon fired into
your body, while you slowly wriggle and bleed out to death, which could often take
hours.

Would you rather I knock you unconscious with a heavy object, or have me stick a
knife into your torso and slowly twist it around until you finally expire?

"Just because something was part of culture, it doesn't make it right or okay for
people to continue doing it.

For the Chinese, eating shark's fin had long been a delicacy. But with people
knowing the kind of harm it causes sharks, many have since refused to eat shark's
fin anymore.

I don't see why the Japanese people can't do the same. When the buying stops, so
does the killing."

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So, you think Japanese should be killed by tsunami because they eat whales?
Your 'culture' is attacking people for nothing, while they got severe disaster?
I knew most of the Sheshepherd advocators are ignorant or vicious, but now I find
ppl who have such a 'culture' .

And when I went to Shang-Hai last year, Chinese ppl were keep eating shark fin, on
the contrary to your saying.
Useless retarded discussion.

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"like some modern cattle farms that use a swift blow to the
temple to render the cow unconscious before its throat is slit, hence a relatively
painless death"

If you are believing the 'blow to the temple' is relatively painless, you are just
pathetic...

@emma9

Your argument is kinda weak when you say "I simply detest the inhumane
and needless slaughter of beautiful living beings, merely because someone wants
an exotic dish on the table. Culture my ass, no animal deserves to suffer like that
just so a population can continue the medieval practices of their forefathers."

and then go onto say,"If only I had a license to kill and unlimited access to firearms, I
would go around putting bullets in the heads of any man, woman or child that so
much dares to kill an animal for sport. Just so they know what it's like to have their
lives cut short merely because someone is after the cheap thrill of hunting."

Why? You say your against inhumane treatment and then advocate inhumane
treatment when you dislike what a person does. Personally I'd rather have people
who do things against the law, no matter how morbid, to rot in jail. I also disagree
about murdering people to save whales. What you say is kinda sick and twisted in
my opinion, no offense but thats how I take it. Though I can understand your
distaste for what you believe is wrong, I don't care to go that far in examples or
retribution.

As for numbers, thats how conservation goes, by the numbers. The government uses
it for thinning out populations or protecting populations when needed and also to
gather data on said populations, track their movements, etc... Hence why numbers
are important.

As for humans, human populations are different to me then animals, people can be
controlled through laws, animals can't. Its a broad idea but think of why we take
census', to help understand whats going on within our populations. If a population
gets to dense, it tends to direct people to fix it. How that affects the human
population? Look at building developments, man makes a bigger building. Whereas
animals, for example wild boar, get to high in density and can be corrected over time
due to starvation from lacking resources. Since man is competing with boars over
resources, like corn, man usually shoots said boar and saves the corn that he
planted while correcting the population.

As for whales, they are considered a resource of meat and can be rightly hunted and
managed like boar if they have a surplus in population. They are also competing
against other whale populations and other fish too. So by thinning out one
population a little could improve another struggling population. But we could also
mess this up indirectly by fishing to. For instance, fish eat smaller fish which eat
plankton which what whales eat. Its one big picture that is complicated,
understanding it is easy managing it is hard.

Is whaling the answer? I don't know, man can shift the balance of a ecosystem
where the minke could thrive due to our current involvement in fishing and make
other whale populations suffer or it could just be us causing other populations suffer
apart from the minke whale.

As for methods of killing, I'm with you on the painless part, I'd rather have a animal
not suffer. I personally have shot and killed animals, shooting animals I think is more
humane imo. Most animals I shoot die within seconds if not instantly. I also like
instant death when it goes with slaughtering animals in a slaughter houses, like
cows with the pneumatic piston, though I don't care for the zap and cut method
when dealing with chickens and pigs. Now that I think of it whaling doesn't really
have a quick way of killing, unless you used a large taser to stun it but it seems most
whalers use the harpoon it until it bleeds out. Which I don't care for... I guess I didn't
really think it through to much, my mistake.

Though some people may be against hunting and/or meat, I understand. I don't view
hunting as a sport, rather a way to get meat(actually better tasting meat). On the
meat side, I have no qualms about eating a animal, I view cattle as a animal and a
resource for meat.

A good show to watch on this isn't whale wars imo, try watching "kill it, cook it, eat
it," its a BBC program on eating animals. Which is the main reason why this goes on,
maybe there needs to be a program on about conservation? I don't think a hunting
show would really count for this but then again when does a conservation show
have the shock value like Whale Wars?

Many might not know but once the Wood Duck once was in such a decline that some
thought it might be extinctable(I made up a word but its a good one) due to loss of
nestable habitat. It then rebounded thanks to the building of duck boxes near
swamps and is still hunted today. They are beautiful ducks I enjoy watching them
and I'll bag one every now and then during hunting season.

Since the main focus is on the whales, the underlying problems is whale meat and
how its collected and also the populations. The main problem is that the current way
we harvest is bad and also that the populations are bad(Minke is arguable). When
both are considered good would we still have a problem with whaling for meat? I
personally think it would be ok for most and then we'd have the PETA types still out
there....

There are 6 billion humans on Earth. Since their numbers are so high, perhaps we
can start hunting them too, starting with the expendable members of society (e.g.
punks, rapists, murderers).

My point is, numbers alone don't make the barbaric methods employed by whalers
excusable. If it was like some modern cattle farms that use a swift blow to the
temple to render the cow unconscious before its throat is slit, hence a relatively
painless death, then I would have no objections. But we all know whaling isn't that
humane.

Animals are beautiful creatures of this Earth. For millions of years they have
inhabited this planet peacefully. Man comes along and species go extinct, while
others experience much suffering. Who are the real animals then?

Don't get me wrong, I'm no vegan nor tree hugger. I simply detest the inhumane
and needless slaughter of beautiful living beings, merely because someone wants
an exotic dish on the table. Culture my ass, no animal deserves to suffer like that
just so a population can continue the medieval practices of their forefathers.

I'm fully in support of what the Sea Shepard does and I hope they continue with
whatever means neccessary. If it means shooting a rocket to blow up a whaling
ship, so be it. If the death of 10 whalers saves a 100 whales, it'd be worth it.

I do not buy the notion that human life is more precious than that of an animal. As
far as I'm concerned, all life is equal, as long as one individual does not threaten the
life, or harm another.

If only I had a license to kill and unlimited access to firearms, I would go around
putting bullets in the heads of any man, woman or child that so much dares to kill an
animal for sport. Just so they know what it's like to have their lives cut short merely
because someone is after the cheap thrill of hunting.

I wouldn't say the people of Sea Shepard are my heroes. But I do respect them for
at least taking a stand and doing something on behalf of defenseless creatures.

During the '09-'10 whaling season the Japanese quota included 935 minke, 50 fin
and 50 humpback whales.

Minke whale population is estimated to be 670k+ in the Antarctic region, as for the
Fin whale there hasn't been any estimates done but the last one was about >5k,
and for the humpback the last estimate was 80k.

As a hunter I think that hunting animals is good as long as the ecosystem can
support them and the population is healthy. Taking Minke would be okay by the
healthy population, taking more minke off the ecosystem might be the answer so
that the other whales could increase in numbers. I'd be in agreement that hunting fin
and humpback should stop, at least for a couple of decades.

As for culture, I'm for it in as long as its done in a responsible manor. As for
enforcement, do what Reagan did and stop the shipping of certain seafood over
there. Though with the recent disaster that wouldn't be a option...

Just because something was part of culture, it doesn't make it right or okay for
people to continue doing it.

For the Chinese, eating shark's fin had long been a delicacy. But with people
knowing the kind of harm it causes sharks, many have since refused to eat shark's
fin anymore.

I don't see why the Japanese people can't do the same. When the buying stops, so
does the killing.

Well, one thing I can say about this is that what they are doing is quite reckless and
dangerous for all parties. First, they are in an extremely dangerous body of water.
Second, their seamanship and boat handling is terrible. They lost people over the side
dropped their launches over the side and gotten small boats on open ocean lost. Clearly,
they have some poor trained or undisciplined people. They are lucky that a bunch of them
haven't been killed.

Also, they are doing some pretty dangerous things. Throwing things between ships, boarding
ships underway, spreading nets in front of ships.... really, someone could get hurt doing
all of that. It looks easy from TV, but you get out there on the ocean it can be rough!
I'm sorry, but what the Japanese are doing seems legal. If you think that its illegal,
instead of wasting hundreds of thousands on a boat, then find a good lawyer and fight them
from the safety of the courtroom.