Eric, this is the second time you have accused Sindher of trolling , which is against the rules. Unless you have something relevant to the discussion, then just don't post. Accuse him of trolling again and I'm going to report you, since you keep trying to start a flame war and get the thread locked. SOME people are capable of having discussions about emotional topics without crossing the line. It is near the anniversary, and many people, including myself, have wondered what the other side thinks, and to be honest, I appreciate the fact that I can simply ask a question of the Argentine community, and get real answers from real Argentines. I'm glad he thought of it, and I have learned quite a bit about the situation here.
Though, the last couple posts were more like a "my dad will kick your dad's ass" type of stuff we can do without.

Mmm, posted in the Argentinian Section. Not the move I would have made but oh well :/


There are a number of things which strike me as peculiar about this situation. But I will concentrate on one (for now).

Argentina only exists due to a declaration of independance in the early 1800s. Stastically, less than 10% of Argentinians are of South American (native) descent with less than 2% pure native South American. Over 85% are direct european (mostly Spanish) decendants.

Now, what puzzles me is how a country that lays claim to the lands of the native South American population who were exterminated can have the moral ineptitude as to claim the Falkland Islands which were uninhabited until a Permanant British presence was established. I see a slight difference.

The fact is, neither the UK OR the Argentinian Government has made moves to settle this dispute outright. There could be a legally binding settlement that could be forced upon both parties but the fact is, neither side has pushed for it, because no-one really knows who would win. The Argentines are rattling the sabre, nothing new here.



@Sindher

The question is not whether or not the UK could take BACK the Falklands, we simply couldn't.

The question is whether or not the Argentinians could take them.


Fighter screening without the support of an aircraft carrier is not possible from Ascension island. Any force deployed to the South Atlantic would not be in the same position as in the 1982 war, the UK SDR has crippled any ability for us to wage REAL war. If the Argentinians took the Islands, that would be the end of it. But they can't, and they won't.

@ Splid

You said
"The fact is, neither the UK OR the Argentinian Government has made moves to settle this dispute outright. There could be a legally binding settlement that could be forced upon both parties but the fact is, neither side has pushed for it, because no-one really knows who would win. "

Not quite true. The UK offered three times to bring this issue to the Hague and Argentina declined three times. Granted, that was before 1982 so I doubt now that blood has been shed they'd be willing to do so again.


You also said

"But they can't"

So thats pretty much the end right there. I don't see your country being lulled asleep again to give Argentina a chance to land again. I say your subs and land based fighters would create a blood bath.

JUST TO CLEAR EVERYTHING OUT: I AM NOT FROM THE UK OR ARGENTINE; I AM FROM VENEZUELA.

For one second guys: Which nation is a playable nation in this game and has one of the best BBs in-game?

That pretty much settles it, Argentine shouldn't keep trying to get the falklands. It's not theirs, it will never be (Unless they somehow find a way to defeat the UK in a full scale war, yeah that includes preventing the UK nukes from reaching Argentinean soil if the necessity arises, and also invading the UK mainland and pretty much ravaging london to put the cherry in the top). But since it will never happen, and I really hope it will never EVER happen, then the Falklands are property of the UK.

I really don't like the idea of calling the UK a completely peace loving nation made of hippies (After all, they backed up some idiot's invasion of some god forgotten country in the middle east claiming they had WMDs that by coincidence has a lot of oil), but they are in no way the imperialist jerks they were during the 17th and 18th century (Then again, everyone in the known world in that era was an Imperialist jerk in some way or another, except for maybe the American countries which where too busy killing eachother or some "imperial power" on Independence wars or civil wars).

Trust me on this (And this is not to bash on the USA citizens, after all they are not completely guilty for what their leaders do), but the Falklands could belong to someone that instead of leaving Argentine to still be a free nation after their defeat in the 1980's war, would have decided to take over mainland Argentine and pretty much make the country another puppet state.

Every country pursues it's own agendas, just that some of those agendas have a negative effect on other nations, be it real or just made up by some crazy gorilla-leftist-pseudo.dictator (Chavez, I'm looking at you).

TL;DR: Falklands are UK property, Argentine should just get over it and concentrate on more important Issues.

Please, don't ban me , sorry if I was too harsh.

Sorry for the rant before, got pissed at people crying so much about the falklands.

Argentine just doesn't has the military power to wage a war against the UK. And no international court will pay attention to a third world country making claims about a 12,173 km2 archipielago. The UK therefore wins.

Again, I am from Venezuela.

@Lionel2

"Argentina 4 destroyers, 9 corvetters, 2 landing ships 3 subs"

What numbers don't say, is that the technology and weaponry dated back to 70's and 80's, with only minor or none upgrades at all till the present day. Only the destroyers have some anti-aircraft missiles (Aspides), the rest of the fleet, is almost helpless against the air threat. We don't have any credible ASW capabilities neither, and right now our submarines are in the shipyard or waiting for major repairs. We don't have any minesweeper, and I want to see what you called "landing ships". Not to mention the flying museum, I mean, the air component of the navy.

Our frontline "fighters" are A-4M upgraded with some F-16 avionics (it's called A-4AR), but it's armed with iron bombs and Sidewinders M at best. The Mirage family, it's a mix of Mirage IIIEA, some upgraded IAI Nesher (called Finger's), and the peruvians Mirage 5P that came at the end of the war (now called Mara's). Apparently they will fly until they fall apart. They posses a major threat...to our brave pilots. Political power is not interested in reversing the situation, it's a huge snowball rolling downhill.

So, Sindher, cool story bro!! in your dreams your are defeating argentines that never landed, destroying air bases that are already falling apart http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8A_VYQCxL4 and shooting down aircraft that can barely still flying.

We can do better than this, I know we can, we just need to focus and work hard to build a better country. Right now, Argentina is like a CV6 commanded by Jbravo...

Splid, if the Argentines managed to somehow defeat the forces stationed on the island, we would still be able to retake it with the plans I wrote a page or two back.


Their airforce is poor, a nearly non existant navy and a crap army to be fair. SSNs would deny them the sea and destroy airbases in southern Argentina using tomahawks. Type 45s would arrive and completely deny them the air. Good old Lusty, Ocean and maybe Bulwark/Albion would sail down and land roughly the same amount of troops that Argentina managed to land.

@ Splid

The Falkland Islands, a history of the 1982 conflict. The UK approached Argentina 3 times in the 56s/60s. I agree with your other points. Very well written.

@ Shink_k

Sorry about the condition of your armed forces. I would like to say that I have a lot of respect for the people of your country and I've read alot about the 1982 conflict. The bravery of the Army and Airforce is remarkable, considering the tactical disadvantages they faced.

For all the positive things that are going on in your country, I think that its obvious that your leaders have allowed the military to fall so far behind. I'm also speculating a bit, but I wonder too have likely allies like the US are to help Argentina too much for fear of incidentally assisting in another war.

"We can do better than this, I know we can, we just need to focus and work hard to build a better country. Right now, Argentina is like a CV6 commanded by Jbravo... "

From what you said, its more like a CV1 commanded by a blitz noob. You're aircraft are 30 years old and even brave pilots can't make up for that. Too bad that your president isn't spending some time and effort into making your armed forces better. Heck, even buy used aircraft and ships from US bone yards is better than what you've got. She should put pride into your military before she makes noise about taking land back and demanding UK move ships out of there. She's got nothing to back that up.