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  • Meeting Actions - *Update 2*

    12. 02. 2012 01:58


vick11

Actions from the Fleet Leader meeting on 1st December:

 

1.  Randy will request a specific update on the issue of HA:

-  Core HA update and crashing issues.

-  HA Battle Mode.

-  Timeline and place in priorities.

*In progress*

*Update 2 - Very grateful for the reporting of HA bugs, please keep those coming in.  The Devs are working to replicate those in testing to then continue working on solutions.  There have been some changes introduced over the last couple of patches so any news on how HA is working would be welcomed on tickets.*

 

2.  We will question SDE about the Achievement System that was on the original work plan for 2012.  Is it still on the list or has it been removed, if still an aspiration what is happening with it?

*Update 2 - Investigation showed that the introduction of a meaningful achievement system within the current game engine would be a major project and so it was put on hold for the time being whilst other work is done.  It may get reserected later.*

 

3.  We will explore the possibility of a Poll system that pops-up at the Login page (only once per account for each Poll) to encourage greater participation in Polls.

*Being considered*

4.  When the new Fleet Leader forum opens we will discuss topics for meaningful, constructive, Polls.

*Waiting for Fleet Leader forum area in new construct - second priority after Amazon project*

 

5.  The Fleet Leader forum area is being worked on, but we will get an estimate as to when it may appear.

*No2 priority to Amazon - latest estimate is start of Feb 13"

 

6.  The new Fleet Leader area will be permission based rather than automatically linked to account status.  As such we will be able to consider cases for specific access beyond pure Fleet Leaders or Fleet Accounts if there is tangible benefit, eg some of the Testers on a case-by-case basis.

*As above*

 

7.  Trainworld content is useful, but falling behind recent changes as it is not a SDE resource and very much reliant on a single person.  Need to explore whether the asset can be incorporated to NF.com and kept upto date or elements of it replicated on the core site. 

*Unfortunately SDE cannot take over the updating or content of trainworld, which is privately owned/operated/updated and thereby reliant on that person*

 

8.  Update '/' commands in-game and in the guides.  Anyone with input to that please forward to Head Moderator who will request the update.

*Passed to Devs - thank you for inputs*

 

9.  Update and expand game guides.  We intend to set work going on this with the revised Fleet Leader forum area (that will be read to all, write for Fleet Leaders).  

*Some background work started on this (thanks to Lj and Darkfrost) - considering a way to get wider involvement ahead of FL area as well*

 

10.  Explore whether the Test Server can be same loading as main game but then a branch option from the Login page to save having to use a separate client.  There was a similar option in the past, can it be done again?

*Question asked - Waiting on response*

*Update 2 - although this was possible a few years ago for a short time, unfortunately it is not technically possible with today's version*

 

11.  Forum Rules and Server Rules review, plus application of rules.  We will open these discussions in the revised Fleet Leader area.

*Waiting on FL area - could be an agenda item for Fleet Summit?*

 

12.  Randy will establish an issues update thread that he will endeavour to update weekly on any progress across a range of issues and questions so we can attempt to better track and communicate where we are on developments, timeframes and priorities.

 

13.  We will consult SDE about producing a 'public' version of the Moderator Manual so players can better understand how TeamNF is constructed, how it works and its accountability, and the processes for complaint.

*Draft sent to SDE for consideration*

*Update 2 - Draft approved.  Should appear as a pdf on the Download > Manual > Public Mod Manual  link in the near future*

 

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On a side note, Randy talked about advertisement of the game through Amazon to attract new players and linkages with them on item payment.  Hopefully there will be more news on this in the near future.

 

 

  • Re : Meeting Actions

    12. 26. 2012 06:52


vk222u

Originally Posted by ljsevern

Originally Posted by vk222u

Good to see 2 updates done already, would like a update on the first weeks lot just to clear up some questions and give us a bit more info if possible also how long does it take to put up a Fleet leaders forums, the merge is not completely over and I would say now would be the best time to have it put up.

-VK

P.S I have sent vick a message in regards to the next meeting and possible places for it to be held, I want it on TS3 this time so we can do some talking rather than typing, I have my TS which is already set up for a meeting of this type, or TNF ts can be used.

Yet, they haven't put up any official minutes or publically answered any of the agenda items.

And 2 updates done already? Thats 2 updates in a month, where there have been constant problems, server errors, event errors, non communication of the event, mess ups of advertised room boosts/conversion boosts, chat server errors, login server errors...

Haven't seen any post from Vick in a long time and the fleet leader forums is already overdue.

These things shouldn't be going on in PM between you and Vick; should be posted on here.

the main reason I am pming vick is so no trolls get the subject off topic and flooded with more hate messages and bashing, I have noticed the way the NF forums are and how trolls are left to run free, so for now I'd rather conduct it this way, but if you would like to arrange the agenda for the next meeting by all means go ahead then post it here or pm it.

If you would like to join in with the discussions I have with vick I would be more than happy to forward you the replies and pms I send vick.

-Vk

  • Re : Meeting Actions

    12. 26. 2012 07:32


devildog8

Vk I have all the respect for ya, but LJ is 100% correct, issues being discussed need to be public not one on one, im not sure who apointed you the middle man for the community

but the last thing we need are middle men and more answers from the GMs 

hate to see after 4 hr long meeting we fall back to the normal that made the issues in the first place 

flaming can be deleted, please tell Vick to post to our questions, thats randy as well

thanks 

  • Re : Meeting Actions

    12. 26. 2012 08:17


ljsevern

Originally Posted by vk222u

Originally Posted by ljsevern

Originally Posted by vk222u

Good to see 2 updates done already, would like a update on the first weeks lot just to clear up some questions and give us a bit more info if possible also how long does it take to put up a Fleet leaders forums, the merge is not completely over and I would say now would be the best time to have it put up.

-VK

P.S I have sent vick a message in regards to the next meeting and possible places for it to be held, I want it on TS3 this time so we can do some talking rather than typing, I have my TS which is already set up for a meeting of this type, or TNF ts can be used.

Yet, they haven't put up any official minutes or publically answered any of the agenda items.

And 2 updates done already? Thats 2 updates in a month, where there have been constant problems, server errors, event errors, non communication of the event, mess ups of advertised room boosts/conversion boosts, chat server errors, login server errors...

Haven't seen any post from Vick in a long time and the fleet leader forums is already overdue.

These things shouldn't be going on in PM between you and Vick; should be posted on here.

the main reason I am pming vick is so no trolls get the subject off topic and flooded with more hate messages and bashing, I have noticed the way the NF forums are and how trolls are left to run free, so for now I'd rather conduct it this way, but if you would like to arrange the agenda for the next meeting by all means go ahead then post it here or pm it.

If you would like to join in with the discussions I have with vick I would be more than happy to forward you the replies and pms I send vick.

-Vk

Then Vick should have kept the fleet leader forum up and moderate it. He was the one that requested its deletion, so it gets put here. He should be communicating with the community. He is meant to be the head mod, but either he is AFK or he is flat out refusing to communicate in this thread and answer the questions in the agenda.

We are still waiting for questions from the last agenda to be answered. We are still waiting for a fleet leaders forum. We are still waiting for the communication promised to us.

  • Re : Meeting Actions

    12. 26. 2012 09:48


War5pite

With the almost total lack of liason with the community I struggle to understand what it is exactly that Vick does anymore.  We keep saying communication is the key and time and again your letting us down with false promises of fixes for those inadequaacies, how many issues have we had in this event alone, never mind over the last year, or even many years.

Confidence from most of the community was lost a while ago because of many poor decisions and nothing Im seeing gives me any faith that you can get that trust from the community back, afterall at a time when efforts should be redoubled it would appear that efforts are infact getting weaker.

I have to say Im expecting an even bigger slump than usual in server activity once this christmas event is over because soo far all you have done is confirmed that you really dont have any respect for anyone in the game, which is unfortunate because this game is suffering because of these decisions - and if the games suffering that means revenues will be suffering.

Do the right thing and make the changes you have promised us for years - improve communications and let us help you to help us.

  • Re : Meeting Actions

    12. 27. 2012 10:46


devildog8
Originally Posted by War5pite

With the almost total lack of liason with the community I struggle to understand what it is exactly that Vick does anymore.  We keep saying communication is the key and time and again your letting us down with false promises of fixes for those inadequaacies, how many issues have we had in this event alone, never mind over the last year, or even many years.

Confidence from most of the community was lost a while ago because of many poor decisions and nothing Im seeing gives me any faith that you can get that trust from the community back, afterall at a time when efforts should be redoubled it would appear that efforts are infact getting weaker.

I have to say Im expecting an even bigger slump than usual in server activity once this christmas event is over because soo far all you have done is confirmed that you really dont have any respect for anyone in the game, which is unfortunate because this game is suffering because of these decisions - and if the games suffering that means revenues will be suffering.

Do the right thing and make the changes you have promised us for years - improve communications and let us help you to help us.



+1 +1 +1 +1

  • Re : Meeting Actions

    12. 27. 2012 10:57


ljsevern

This is why the Head Mod position should be a paid full time job. So they just don't disappear when the going gets tough.

 

That said, it shouldn't just be one person. It should be a team of people so that

a) if one isn't online someone else is

b) someone can have a holiday when needed

c) so that there isn't one person with absolute power to be judge, jury and executioner

  • Re : Meeting Actions

    12. 27. 2012 16:27


vk222u

Originally Posted by devildog8

Vk I have all the respect for ya, but LJ is 100% correct, issues being discussed need to be public not one on one, im not sure who apointed you the middle man for the community

but the last thing we need are middle men and more answers from the GMs 

hate to see after 4 hr long meeting we fall back to the normal that made the issues in the first place 

flaming can be deleted, please tell Vick to post to our questions, thats randy as well

thanks 

sorry for my late reply but I have been away with the family for christmas, I was not apointed a middleman by anyone, I simply pmed vick about issues and then started discussing different things and then asked to if could have the meeting like deral had asked for in the old Fleet leaders section, I do see what you mean by posting in a public place it better and I know for a fact less drama is cause if everyone is informed by the one source since everyone gets the same message.

I would say vick is on holidays or break because he has not replied to my last PM or even read it.

I will stop pming vick in regards to issue and let him place them up for discussion in the forums if he wishes.

 

Originally Posted by ljsevern

This is why the Head Mod position should be a paid full time job. So they just don't disappear when the going gets tough.

 

That said, it shouldn't just be one person. It should be a team of people so that

a) if one isn't online someone else is

b) someone can have a holiday when needed

c) so that there isn't one person with absolute power to be judge, jury and executioner

+1

I agree with you 100% on this one.

-Vk

  • Re : Meeting Actions

    12. 27. 2012 17:38


ljsevern

Vicks last post on this thread was:-

12. 02. 2012 07:30 PST

He posted this on the 6th:-

Originally Posted by vick11

Given we are smack in-between Korean and US GM times Lj, that is a little disingenuous even for you.  Trying to raise contact with Randy early.

He made a post in quick status updates on:-

12. 08. 2012 01:36 PST

His last known activity in public General Discussion was when posted a message about him removing a post of V2's referencing Kaiser server getting a drop event on:-

12. 08. 2012 09:40 PST

Thats pretty much all I could find of his activity since his last post on this thread. Has he been on holiday all month? With nothing for 20 days? Now, I can understand no activity on Xmas Eve, Xmas and Boxing Day. Same with NYE and NYD. But if Vick was on holiday all month or taking a leave of absense, then someone from TNF should have been told to take the reigns while he is gone, including posting in this thread and communicating with the fleet leaders, and the SDE GM's should also have been posting in here.

The fleet leaders forum is already late, just as I said it would be. Vick doesn't want one because it will lead the same place it went before; Us pointing out what he is doing wrong, him banning a few people he doesn't like, us demanding he either do his job properly or step down and let someone else who can.

Sure, there are obvious stumbling blocks with SDE. But it seems Vick is just not attempting to try either. I wish that wasn't the case, but evidentally it is. Especially with the amount others get away with on the forums and ingame. I guess you have to be a chosen one to get away with it.

 

  • Re : Meeting Actions

    12. 27. 2012 18:17


Dallion

vick is on holidays returning on the 28th from what I understand.

i guess he is taking a small break ... other TNF and the GMs are covering the areas as required (hense the new structure) until he is back.

Randy posted an update this week.. so I guess we will have some more news in the coming days..

yes it sucks.. but waiting 1wk for RL is accpeptable.

  • Re : Meeting Actions

    12. 27. 2012 18:50


ljsevern

Originally Posted by Dallion

vick is on holidays returning on the 28th from what I understand.

i guess he is taking a small break ... other TNF and the GMs are covering the areas as required (hense the new structure) until he is back.

Randy posted an update this week.. so I guess we will have some more news in the coming days..

yes it sucks.. but waiting 1wk for RL is accpeptable.

His last post was on the 8th. 20 days ago. Thats a bit longer than a week.

And to be honest, TNF and the GM's haven't covered the areas required. As shown on these forums.

How do you know Vick is returning on the 28th? Would be nice if we were told he got a 20 day holiday.

If it was just a week, then fair enough. But 1 month on (its the 28th here), and what has changed. Two small update threads with one update in one of those. Constant lack of communication about the event. Constant lack of reaction to bugs/errors in the event. No official minutes posted from TNF. No answering of the agenda questions posted. No promised fleet leader area. I could go on and on.

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